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ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby jazzman » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:44 am

Aluminium doors and windows: I posted something like this a while back. Here is an updated version, (because we have now had them made), and posted in a dedicated topic.

Material: 1.2 or 1.5 mm thick extruded aluminium.
Colours: bronze, silver and white.
1.5mm alu has a much firmer feel to it and is 10% more expensive.
Bronze is the cheapest, silver is slightly more expensive and white costs about 20% more than bronze because it is epoxy painted and not anodised.
Dimesions: You will provide the OVERALL dimensions of the openings in your walls for the windows, and state 200 x 80 for your single doors and the OVERALL opening in the wall for any custom built sliding doors (like patio doors etc).
Installation: by the manufacturer, cost of installation is included.

There is no real advantage
IMHO, in looking for a nationwide manufacturer or for an importer of Western windows, the price could be anything up to TEN TIMES more expensive (look at some of the prices quoted on this forum) and the design will be OTT for the tropics.We got quotes, and frankly, we couldn't afford them anyway.
Take the dimensions your window and door frames from your plans , decide whether you want hinged or sliding casements and with or without fly-screens; 1.2 or 1.5 mm alu, bronze, silver or white, remembering that sliding doors and windows will be cheaper than hinged ones - swing doors cost a lot more than sliding because of the expensive gas-filled two-way closer. Then take it all to your local specialist (he will probably have a nondescript shop house in a backstreet) and ask him to give you an estimate. Then send your wife or a Thai friend for the same estimate.

When the house is built
and the walls are rendered, the supplier will come out and measure the openings exactly and build to order. He will require a 50% down payment so he can order the materials, and the balance after installation.

Fixed, non opening windows for some strange reason, probably because the glass itself is the main factor, were only 200 baht cheaper, so we changed the spec to have sliding windows everywhere.

My quotes come from large retail outlets and people who are not clever enough to even think of overcharging farangs. There are large differences in the way they calculate their prices, which defy all logic, so as they were not giving discounts for job lots, I was originally intending to order separately from each one who offered the lowest price for each item. For quality control - because some people can bend, cut and shape metal more neatly than others - it is a good idea ask to see some stuff he has already made, he will be only too pleased to take you and show you a house where he did the installation. Thais are always proud of their work, however bad it it is.

Prices in the 3 columns are respectively GlobalHouse, local manufacturer in BanPhu town, local manufacturer in our village.

Doors
(white) 1.5mm extruded alu. epoxy coated, white. Light green glass..

sliding 160x200 16,000 8,000 6,000
sliding 300x200 20,000 16,000 14,000
swing 80x200 7,800 8,000 7,500
hinged 80x200 6,800 6,000 6,000

Windows
(white) 1.5mm extruded alu. epoxy coated, white. Light green glass with screens.

Sliding 150x120 4,200 5,000 4,200
Fixed 150x120 4,000 4,700 4,000
Louvre 200 x 100 xxxx xxxx 6,000

I gave the whole order to the guy in my own village. The total for our house (single storey, 3 bedrooms, living room and kitchen) was 94,000 baht.

I will post again on this, hopefully with some pix, when the installation is complete.

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Postby SVielha » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:30 pm

Hi,

do you have a picture of the windows? I would like to compare them with mine.

Do they have moscito nets?

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Postby jazzman » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:52 pm

The metal man is working on them now and they will be installed when the walls have been rendered. Noch 2 Wochen oder so.

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Postby jazzman » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:33 pm

Verzeihung! Sorry to keep you and anyone else waiting Sacha, but because I don't want the nice white frames scrathed to pieces or a clumsy worker putting a plank through a pane of plate glass, I have decided to make this the last installation we do, even after tiling the floors.

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Postby BARRYOFTHAILAND » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:53 pm

Hi Jazzman,

We are planning to build aa American southwestern style home in Surin with an attached 2 car garage.

Where did you first get price quites from? I understand you had a local window
craftsman make your 1.55mm thick aluminum windows. Compared to the PVC frames, does the thicker aluminum keep the heat out?
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Aluminium vs UPVC

Postby jazzman » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:14 pm

Hi Barry,

If you read my article
again about window frames, you will see that we took quotes from two local manufacturers of aluminium frames - there is one in every village in Thailand - and compared them with prices for the mass produced ones that are sold through the large retail outlets like GlobalHouse, Homemart and Home Pro.

To get a quote, you need to know the sizes, as the estimates are prepared from the number of sq.m of GLASS + frame area. The glass itswelf being the basis for the price calculation - the frame hardly comes nto it. Frames are usually 5cm wide.

The frames will not make a great deal of difference toi the level of insulation from the heat. The large surface - the glass - will. There are different kinds of glass ranging from simple clear glass, through tinted glass, tinted reflective glass, and tinted, refelective, UV glass. Your manufacturer will quote you based on what you want.

Aluminium frames are available locally in two basic qualities: 1.2 mm and 1.5 mm thickness, and in three finishes (in order of price/quality), bronze anodised aluminium, silver coloured anodised aluminium, and white epoxy enameled aluminium. The latter is the most expensive and will work out at about 20% more than sliver.

PVC works out at about 30%
more expensive than 1.5mm white aluminium, but you must choose your supplier with care as not all PVC is UPVC and is therefore not always guaranteed not to go to a horrible blotchy yellow colour looking like nicotine stains after a years or two exposure to the tropical sun. Generally the PVC frames sold through the DIY chains are NOT guaranteed, and c]annot be customa made either, you have to design your house around the available sizes, and then get someone to fit them for you.

It is possible that PVC frames may absorb less, and reflect a little more heat than aluminium, but your criterion for insulation from heat is one of the glass you choose rather than frames.

The cost of windows and doors for my house is higher than need be because instead of traditional wooden front and back doors, I am having very wide, sliding type aluminium patio doors of the kind that do not need a rail in the floor for people to trip over!

A nice house by the way. Did you design it yourself?

For more information about PVC door and window frames, I suggest you visit the Western company WR Vinyl in Pattaya at http://www.wrvinyl.com and check out the postings on this forum by Attila on the subject of PVC. He purchased his from WR and they do look very nice and without air conditioning, his house is always wonderfully cool inside. He had special burglar resistant reflective tinted glass put in his ground floor doors and windows.

Do also read this thread too: http://coolthaihouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550 It is long but it will probably answer all the other questions you have about PVC. The WINDSOR PVC window and door components which are mentioned (they also make fences, soffit, and rainwater guttering (I think you call this eaves troughing in the US) are extremely expensive, but may be just what you are looking for. They are marketed by HomeMart.

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More about Aluminium

Postby jazzman » Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:46 pm

There is also some information of general interest here on the Pattaya forum at http://www.coolthaihouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=387
BTW: Peter Wunderer at [url]http://www.wrinyl.com
[/url] can now also do PVC installations up country (North, Northeats, etc).
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Postby jazzman » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:56 am

A whacking 25% more expensive than uPVC, and double the price of the best locally produced stuff, the Thai-Aust Aluminium Co., Ltd. produces aluminium frames ..."considered to have one of the word's leading standards in building materials."

OK, putting the advertising hype aside, and if money is no object, and if this high quality is absolutely indispensable, it certainly is the Rolls Royce of windows and doors and would outlast any 30 year lease for a bit of land by hundreds of years. Just that for Jazzman's house it would represent more than half of the BOQ. Jazzman also calculates that less than 5% of farang home builders, although they are of course all filthy rich, would want to dip their hands this deep in their pockets

Just to recap:

Jazzman's house (total build, materials & labour 560,000 baht): 156 sq.m, single storey:
11 sliding windows 150 x 120, 1 louvre window 200 x 100 (3 sections), 3 swing doors 80 x 210,1 heavy duty shop entrance style sliding door, fully glazed, 300 x 215, 1 heavy duty shop entrance style sliding door, fully glazed, 160 x 215.

Aluminium, 1.5 extruded profile, white expoxy enamelled. 6mm green tinted safety glass. Silent nylon ball bearing wheels, stainless steel runners, locks hinges and fittings. Installation + 5yr warranty. Final price :
80,000 baht.

uPVC windows from http://www.wrvinyl.com: 160,000, personal service.

Aluminium from Thai-Aust: about 200,000, no personal service.

You can oder the Thai-Aust doors and windows through HomePro. Don't expect any site visit to take your measurements.
For more details: http://www.thaiaust.com navigation menu in English (of course}, body text in Thai (of course).

For pics of Jazzman's windowframes go to http://coolthaihouse.com/cthpics/thumbnails.php?album=6&page=3
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby usamike » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:37 pm

Jazzman,

I'm getting to the stage where I need to think about Windows & Doors. I'd like to get the aluminum type you've talked about in ALL (you're a busy guy) your forums, which have been very good. However, all the info I find is about non-paned aluminum windows. Are there aluminum framed windows that come in the "pane" type you see with wood framed windows? It seems to me there would be, but I haven't seen any in all the albums (including yours) I've looked at, nor in any houses I have seen driving down the roads.

Also, can anyone give me the name/phone # of a good aluminum window manufacturer in the Udon/NongKhai area - specifically if needed - Nong Song Hong village.

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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby jazzman » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:21 pm

Hi usamike,

Aluminium windows are always supplied made to order including the glazing. Wooden window frames a re generally supplied without the glass.

PM me and I will give you the name and contact details of my supplier in Ban Phue, Udon Thani province, about 35 Km from Udon and 30 Km from Nong Khai. I met this supplier after extensive research in the region. He is extremely reliable, will work in a radius of 150 Km and speaks almost fluent English. he will clearly explain all the types and qualities of frames and glazing. However, as is usuall in Thailand it is better not to try and discuss it on the phone - a visit is indispensable.
Please note that I do NOT perceive any commission whatsoever for providing leads of this kind and you can be sure of the best prices.
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby sammyg » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:54 am

Hello Mike(You may be the Missouri Mike of Udonmap fame?) or anyone else in Udon Thani area that may be looking for construction of the mentioned objects , My father in law has been building windows,doors,gutters and roll up doors and gates of all kinds for alot of years and are his specialty.I have seen alot of his work at homes,businesses big and small and he does a great job.He also is very,very honest and I also get no comission by virtue of this offering just would like to suggest his professional workmanship.If you are interested he speaks some english but would be best if your wife could relay complete conversation or my wife and I would be happy to relay translation.He lives in Ban Muang village not far from Big C in Udon Thani and would be happy to give you an estimate and if you talked to him by phone he most likely has catalogs that he could bring to show you what he can do.His name is Phayu Phonnam-in Cell#089-5779312 If you have any questions feel free to write me at sam100glt@yahoo.com or here! Thanks,SammyG
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby jazzman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:34 am

My father in law has been building windows,doors,gutters and roll up doors and gates of all kinds for alot of years and are his specialty.I have seen alot of his work at homes,businesses big and small and he does a great job... .His name is Phayu Phonnam-in Cell#089-5779312 If you have any questions feel free to write me at sam100glt@yahoo.com or here! Thanks,SammyG
Thanks for that info Sammy. I have taken the liberty of copying it to the Isaan forum.
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby cole » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:44 am

Hi All,
great to read this site. I have been building a house for some time, through a developer and cannot get the developer to put in any windows or doors!! Been waiting four months now and every excuse in the book. I want 1.5 mm in black aluminium for a large house. Can anyone suggest a contact in the Hua Hin area that might be able to help? Would be greatly appreciated.Thanks,
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby jazzman » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:57 pm

I have never seen aluminium windows in Thailand in any other colours than bronze, silver, and white. You may have to opt for one of those colours and get them resprayed.
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Re: ALUMINIUM windows and doors

Postby Sparky » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:23 pm

They are available in black my friend has a villa in Jomtien all black windows , have also seen in Bansaray houses being built with grey frames again aluminium think the colours you mention are just the run of the mill cheap charlie range stocked by the average small manufacturer .
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