Pattaya. Labour Charges

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Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby jesimps » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 am

Hi all. I'm having a house built on the edge of Phoenix Golf Course and would like some advice on labour costs. I agreed a fixed price for the 1st fix which I was reasonably happy with, but now realise that I should have sorted out all the second fix labour charges at the same time. I'd like to stick with the same builder but have a feeling from some of his second fix quotes that he realises this and could be trying it on. The house is 3 bed/study/2 bath/lounge/kitchen/3 air cons, 10 fans. The house is raised up on 2.2 metre columns so there's fetching and carrying to do up and down stairs. Grateful for a very rough guide on labour charges per square metre for the following:

Laying floor and wall tiles. (I've been quoted 220 thb a square metre for floor tiles (tiles only cost 120 thb square metre, promotion).

Laying breeze (cinder) blocks single width with rendering (been quoted 500 thb square metre)

Electrics (1 water heater; central fluo lights in each room nothing really fancy).

Windows and mozzy screens.

Painting inside and out (scaffolding has to be built from wood already provided)

Concreting driveway.

I realise every0ne's situation is different, but if I could find out a very rough figure for the above I'll at least have some idea what prices to haggle around.

Hope to post some pics when (if) I have a bit of spare time.

Good luck everyone with your projects.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby Shastadad » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:42 am

house built on the edge of Phoenix Golf Course


Right there is your first problem which leads to my inability to give you any meaningful quotes for comparison

I am afraid that you are going to have to have him give you hard quotes for the work you describe then get other builders to come in and bid. Not going to be easy since builders around this area are loathe to touch another mans rice bowl

Unfortunately these areas should have been included in the price that you agreed to in the first place and as we say in the west, he has you by the balls

Sorry, that I can't be more positive but after having two builders abandon a project in this area and the difficulty in getting anyone to finish it. I am not very hopeful of your getting the completion work done cheaply
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby jesimps » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:22 am

Tks for your reply, I think most people on here learn by their mistakes and are experts if they go on to build a second place. It's incredibly difficult to get up to date advice on prices, either on forums or elsewhere, so you're really working in the dark. As you say, you have to start getting quotes from builders who's standard of workmanship you know nothing about. It also takes forever and I need to be out of my present place sooner rather than later.

I'd really appreciate some opinions on what sort of prices I should be paying for reasonable workmanship, even if it's only guess work it'll give me a base from which to haggle. Maybe you could let me know what square metre price you paid for similar recent labour in this area or elsewhere.

When I finish this project I'll attempt to post the final boq on here so you can see a detailed breakdown of costs.

Tks in advance.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby fredlk » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 am

jesimps wrote:I'd really appreciate some opinions on what sort of prices I should be paying for reasonable workmanship

I have no idea of the prices you're looking for but leave out the "reasonable" because you might pay a lot for poor workmanship or very little for good quality.
It's the luck of the draw and every contractor / builder is as good as the team he especially hired for you only yesterday who might all be rice farmers or builders from Burma.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby pattayapope » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:56 pm

If you visit Homemart in Ban Ampur they can sometimes put you onto specialist sub contractors to do the work, the prices you mentioned seemed a bit on the high side but it depends on many factors. If you can estimate the manhours to do the work then if you figure skilled labour gets between 500 to 1000 baht a day you can figure out what the builder is marking up for his cut. Trying to get a general contractor to do little jobs is hard as they do not see much profit in it unless they charge very high rates. I have a friend with a similar situation to you also near Pheonix and he is supervising all the labour with mixed results and now he is on the final stages he is having great difficulty getting the place finished to a good standard.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby jesimps » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:25 pm

Ok, tks for your replies. I guess the hardest part of having a house built is trying to get any information on what the going rate for labour is. It's like asking how long is a piece of string? The only thing I know for definit is that if I build another place I'll get all second fix prices included in the contract. When I started this project I couldn't really see further than the first fix. I'm pleased with the work done so far so I want to try to hang on to this guy to completion.

I think a visit to Home Mart Ban Amphur is good advice and I'll be taking a trip over there in the near future.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby jazzman » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:20 pm

Getting reliable information for labour day rates per worker can be complex. Usually a foreman will bid for the job, but depending on the sequired skills he will be paying his men/women different rates. He may be paying himself as much as 750 baht a day, and paying skilled labour such as electricians around 450, while normal brick layers and renderers may be getting only 350. The women mainly do the mixing carrying and may only be getting 200 baht a day. These are generally the rates for directly hired labour, but a bona fidae company may charge the customer double to cover their admin and running costs and gross profit.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby Shastadad » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:04 am

Home Mart in Ban Amphur is currently going through another major renovation and appear to be in the process of becoming a Hardware House Extra, whatever that means

Last time they renovated, two years ago, they closed down their retail operation for over six months and I don't think they ever recovered from that lost business. I went there yesterday and saw the chaos of renovations so I didn't even go inside, so I can't tell you what is available and what is not
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby fredlk » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:08 am

Shastadad wrote:Home Mart in Ban Amphur is currently going through another major renovation

The 3 times I've been there in the past 3 years it's been like a closing-down sale and with nobody knowing anything about anything.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby jesimps » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:30 pm

If I was asked how helpful the replies to my original post have been I'd have to say I'm still as much in the dark as when I originally posted. I'm not whinging because people have after all gone out of their way to reply and for that I'm grateful. However, there must be someone out there who has recently had to pay for local labour in this area (or any other) who can let me know what they were charged per square metre for one or all of the things I listed. There are literally thousands of new houses being built in this area alone, surely someone can give me some figures. C'mon chaps, promise when my place is finished I'll post my final figures on here, only too happy to help.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby fredlk » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:47 pm

jesimps wrote:there must be someone out there who has recently had to pay for local labour in this area (or any other) who can let me know what they were charged per square metre for one or all of the things I listed.

I have not had anything built priced per square metre, but I have had things built like house, staff house, garage, perimeter walls all for specified amounts per item. You are welcome to read my building story and work out what things cost per square metre. All I know is that I paid lots for some square metres and little for others as in one 40 metre stretch of wall cost 190,000 Baht while another 40 metre stretch cost 100,000 Baht. Same builder, different day.
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Re: Pattaya. Labour Charges

Postby Mike Judd » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:46 pm

It's obviously going to vary depending on what part you are in, but Jazzman's example of costs for different levels of skills or lack of is about right in my experience up here in Khon Kaen. I've gone from Baht 300 per day for workers who have reasonable knowledge to Baht 500 per day over the last 6 yrs. At the moment they seem to favour a set price to do work which is O.K. with me , but all I can see with that arrangement is they tend to work less hours per day overall so as to fit in their other activities, they are certainly not earning more per week though. It is as always best to just get more than one quote. Three if possible , not really any different from western ways , just usually a lot cheaper.?
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