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Are we about to lose our high[ish]-speed Internet?

Postby MGV12 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:32 am

Slightly of more consequence than my previous post!

http://www.telecomasia.net/blog/content ... OU.twitter

General Happiness orders Great Firewall of Thailand

Thailand’s military government has ordered the creation of a great
firewall of Thailand to control the flow of information on the
Internet.


General Prayuth’s cabinet ordered the ICT and Justice Ministries and
the National Police Department to set up a single internet gateway in
order to control inappropriate websites and to control the flow of
information into the country from overseas via the internet.

A subsequent cabinet resolution ordered the agencies to report back
with any laws that would need to be enacted or amended prior to
setting up the single gateway.

The order was quietly given by the Cabinet on 30 June and the
follow-up order for the agencies to report back with any laws that
needed amending was given by the cabinet on 4 September.

The cabinet resolution was just unearthed on social media by someone
browsing the official government cabinet resolution repository. Prem
Sichanugrist or @sikachu on Twitter said, “Yes. Thailand is about to
have The Great Firewall just like China, except it will be s****ier
and corrupted as hell”.

He also tweeted that politics aside, from a systems point of view,
having a single gateway and a single point of failure is a bad idea.

Back in the old days, only CAT Telecom ran a commercial gateway
alongside a handful of tiny academic connections. Deregulating this
sector and creating competition is arguably the only success the Thai
telecom regulator has had since it came into existence, speeding up
internet access and enhancing reliability.

CAT has always acted more as a rent collector rather than a telco.
It’s 2G era CDMA network was an unmitigated disaster and in the 3G era
things are not that much better despite all the free spectrum and
public money.

From an internet connectivity point of view, one sees Thailand at the
center of the region, yet it seems like all the major cable systems
skirt around Thailand, coming up through Malaysia then jumping into
the sea before surfacing again in Vietnam.

Some say it was CAT’s fault as it tried to charge exorbitant fees, so
much so that everyone decided to go submarine instead of overland.

The continued existence of the single gateway project makes a total
mockery of everything new ICT Minister Uttama Savanayana said about
turning Thailand into a data center hub for the region and building
better connectivity. Would anyone in their right mind host a regional
operation in Thailand under these circumstances?

A return to the gold old days of a CAT monopoly would be disastrous.
The people of Thailand can kiss a fast internet goodbye purely from
technical incompetence, not to mention all the monitoring, censoring
and deep packet inspection the military want. Would VPN and encryption
be outlawed? That would be a logical next step.

The cabinet resolution was for a way to censor and to control the flow
of information and that cannot be done with strong encryption. The
cabinet resolution said to report back on any laws that needed to be
changed to make this possible. Banning encryption would be a logical
law to pass to make the original cabinet resolution implementable.

Good bye privacy. It was nice to have known you.
good bye connection

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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby schuimpge » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:33 pm

I have a couple of pallets of modems in stock.. anybody interested?
And maybe time to start-up that Pigeon Farm again.. :mrgreen:
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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby MGV12 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:31 am

A reassuring statement regarding the proposed single gateway has apparently been issued ... so that's alright then :wink:

Don't fear Internet single gateway: ICT minister
Asina Pornwasin
The Nation September 25, 2015 1:00 am

The objective of the international-Internet single gateway initiative is not to enhance national security, but to help Internet businesses reduce costs by sharing a single gateway, Information and Communication Technology Minister Uttama Savanayana said yesterday.

Uttama said the initiative was being explored by the ministry along with other organisations and stakeholders.

He did not commit to a timeframe on when the proposal will be sent to the Cabinet for consideration but he said the ministry was not in a hurry to get it finished as it needed to be carefully considered.

The public needed to understand that the single gateway would save Internet businesses money, he said, because they would not have to invest in their own gateway.

Uttama added that the single gateway was still in the discussion stage.

He said businesses would not be forced to use the single gateway.

"It is to be done on a volunteer basis when we develop the infrastructure. It is not to force them. That is impossible," said Uttama.

He said that the end-of-September deadline Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha had envisioned for the project was for the ICT Ministry to report the project's progress and was not a deadline for completion.

He said the public's liberty and rights were important and the ministry was conscious of that.

Thailand's single gateway concept would not be based on a controversial concept from another country, he insisted.

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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:02 am

MGV12 wrote:A reassuring statement regarding the proposed single gateway has apparently been issued ... so that's alright then

They have a major problem with all of the proposals that they never considered, they can't get the bandwidth because in their infinite wisdom they refused to link to the fibre optic underseas cables. Every other country did it but not Thailand, so the current 15 IT servers all rely on fixed lines that connect to other fixed lines....all copper, which restricts bandwidth.
They can't blame previous governments either because the military always had the final say in frequencies and what could and couldn't be used.
If they'd just stopped banning websites and snooping the old way, they could have had fibre optic, but when they opened bids for that the Chinese were the "preferred" suppliers and on their (TOT) trial runs they found so many breaks in the cables it was quietly shelved, so now they have to rely on antiquated cables that can't carry the bandwidth they'll need for just one gateway.
And whilst even Malaysia, Burma, Laos and Cambodia have the bandwidth, there not going to lease it to the Thai junta.
It's another pipe dream, destroyed by previous coup "leaders" ineptitude, lack of knowledge, lack of forsight and just downright stupidity on IT matters. And the police are no better either, they rely on blackmailing the people with the servers to get their information.
It's rather like if I was caught with a two way radio.....I'd go to gaol, farangs are not allowed to own two way radios. That's the reason people with rather large boats don't register the boats in Thailand they register (flag) them in Malaysia so they can use their satellite equipment without any fuss.
Their lack of forsight is coming back to bite them in the arse.
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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby MGV12 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:20 am

And then ...blah blah blah:

Single internet gateway increases IT capacity and national security: Thai authorities
Thu, 24/09/2015 - 18:38

Thailand’s telecommunication authorities have admitted that a plan to reduce internet gateways down to one is for ‘national security’, but added that it will also boost the country’s IT capacity to compete with other nations.

According to BBC Thai Service, Gen Settapong Malisuwan, the president of CAT telecom under the National Broadcasting Telecommunications Commission (NBTC) and the vice president of the NBTC, on Thursday, 24 September 2015, admitted one of the purposes of implementing the single internet gateway system is to filter information and ‘inappropriate’ online materials from overseas.

The general, however, said that the primary purpose is actually increase the competitiveness of the IT sector in Thailand to provide incentives for the private internet operators to connect to the Thai internet gateway instead of that of the neighboring countries, such as Singapore or Malaysia although the IT infrastructures in the country is still lacking.

He told BBC Thai that instead of calling the system ‘single gateway’, it should be called as the ‘digital hub’. CAT would facilitate the hub and invite the internet gateway providers in Thailand, which are about nine in total, to join the hub.

Nonetheless, CAT president added that national security is also one of the underlying reasons to the plan in order to make it easier for the state to crackdown on cyber crimes, saying that even the US has implemented such system.

At the same time, internet users in Thailand who are against the single internet gateway proposal have come up with the campaign called ‘Resist the Single Gateway’ to collect signatures of people who disagree with the proposal on Change.org.

The campaigners claimed that cyber privacy would be gravely threatened by the state if the plan is materialised.

The group added that the single gateway system would make IT security as a whole much worse because if the system comes under attack and fail the entire internet system in the country would collapse because there is only one internet gateway.

The cabinet under Gen Prayuth Chan-o-cha, the junta leader and Prime Minister, last month has given a green light to the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology (MICT) and relevant agencies to push ahead with the process to implement a single gateway internet system before the end of the 2015 fiscal budget.

The plan to reduce internet gateways was initially proposed by Pol Gen Somyos Pumpanmuang, the chief of the Royal Thai Police, in June 2015. He reasoned that through a single gateway system, it will be much easier for the state authorities to monitor, filter, delete, and intercept information on the internet that could be deemed inappropriate.

Arthit Suriyawongkul, coordinator of the Thai Netizen Network (TNN), an Internet freedom advocacy group, told Prachatai that the idea to reduce the internet gateways to a single one was proposed only a few days after the 2014 coup d’état by the ex-MICT permanent secretary.

He mentioned that the idea was formulated under the logic that Thai people in present use social media inappropriately without control.

“We can see that this sort of idea came together with the coup d’état,” said Arthit.

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/5493

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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:31 pm

MGV12 wrote:Arthit Suriyawongkul, coordinator of the Thai Netizen Network (TNN), an Internet freedom advocacy group, told Prachatai that the idea to reduce the internet gateways to a single one was proposed only a few days after the 2014 coup d’état by the ex-MICT permanent secretary.

Yes, he's the joker that used to sit in the Censor's chair and ban sites without a court order or warrant being obtained. With the junta in control they don't need any of that legal mumbo jumbo, they just claim it's to do with national security......like the ABC, BBC, Youtube, (at one stage) and any other place they don't like that says "nasty" things about them, Like Phuketwan, which will be at the top of their lists and any other media outlet that tells the truth.
I love it, it will mean that every business, embassy and university will be at the mercy of the junta. I wonder if they'll ban the British Ambassador after his introduction to Thailand speech that the dictator didn't like at all?
And then this: http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... ge-mistake
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Re: Are we about to lose our high-speed Internet?

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:43 pm

But then who needs a single gateway when you can do this?
Thai authorities block live-broadcast of anti-junta protest in New York
Submitted by editor2 on Mon, 28/09/2015 - 11:28
The Thai authorities have admitted that they blocked websites and facebook pages of the anti-establishment red shirt not to allow them to broadcast the anti-junta protest at the UN Assembly.

According to Matichon Online, Maj Gen Sansern Kaewkamnerd, the spokesperson of the Prime Minister's Office under Gen Prayuth Chan-o-cha, the junta leader and PM, on Saturday, 26 September 2015 said that the Thai authorities blocked the red shirt websites and social networks to prevent them from broadcasting live the anti-junta protest at the UN 70th General Assembly in New York, US.

Gen Sansern mentioned that he did not know which state agencies authorised the order to block the red shirt websites, but it was probably done by the Ministry of Information and Communication Technologies (MICT) to prevent conflict and instability.

On Saturday 11 am local time in New York, a group of 50-60 anti-junta Thais gathered in front of the UN headquarter in New York City to protest against the Thai junta leader while he was attending the UN meeting along with 134 member countries.

Ahead of the anti-coup gathering, red shirt websites, such as United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship USA (UDD US), aka. Red USA, and UDD Sweden, announced that they planned to broadcast the anti-junta protest at the UN headquarter live from New York at 22 pm Thai time, but the signal was later blocked and they could only broadcast the sound of the protest.
Full story: http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/5497
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