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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:26 pm

Chapter 13 day 47

Tiling today and spent an hour looking for my notched float. :( Really don’t know where it is. I found two steel floats, a wooden float and two blue plastic floats. It could be anywhere but I suspect under the stock of wood. I last used it when I tiled the decking but unless it was broken I wouldn’t have slung it out.

Big stubby bright orange handle…cant miss it….? :roll:

My pond walls vary in height; due to slight inconsistencies in my brickwork and/or rendering and the over skimming of the pond base. Its only upto 15mm or so but a 330 tile was always too high and a 300 tile would mean setting it down 15-20mm from the top edge.

I decided to try and keep the top tile edge down 20mm. the water would never get this high so for aesthetics I will keep the top level and fill in the bottom as required.

It wasn’t an easy task today and trying to prop the tiles up with bits of shera and other assorted debris was a nuisance.

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However we are getting there and I am over half way through. I can see already at this stage that completing it will literally be down to the last tile. I do have some other tiles I can use if I get desperate but hopefully not. If I break one, then I am definitely going to be short.


I treated Wasu to a breakfast in the city before all that, she likes dim sum, personally I think its typical unhealthy high calorie chemical crap which always requires a second top up of something somewhere else.

Our other reason for hitting the city was that we wanted to go and check out sign makers. I had a few places to try spurred on by that ridiculous quote the other day.

And that was a quote for 39k baht to fix 12no 150mm shera boards at 4m long and then cut out our spa logo and name from a 2.4x1.2 sheet of plaswood. :shock:

It was so expensive I told Wasu we could have had our granite people clad the whole 8m2 for 12k baht.

On our way back from the dim sum place, through the sois we spotted two sheets of plaswood leaning on a post, all cut out, the letters etc so we stopped.

Our discussions seemed positive and my task tomorrow is to return with my computer so they can transfer my logo to theirs in order to quote.

I am not well versed in sign and design technology and assumed all the 3d signs were all laser cut.

The owner said they use a cnc router and a jigsaw but not a laser.

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He took me inside to show me his massive flat bed with automated router. More on this if we ever proceed with it…..cost is the only factor here….but after checking out the price of this baby at 620,000 baht I fear the set up price per job is going to be 3k before any quote is added. :(

After seeing that and talking to the owner I had a nice gut feeling so didn’t want to go on a further fact finding trip and we decided to head off back to further partake in a high calorie top up…coffees and cake. :)
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Chapter 13 day 48+ 49

Over the last two days we have completed several small task, the first of which was a morning return visit to the sign maker to let him extract my logo from my laptop in order to quote us for a giant sign.

In fairness it’s the wrong time for us, the lowest season ever and Wasu is so stressed about the income but we need to re invest in the business just as we did when we first opened when our first three months takings in total were a mere 65k and now she is stressing that we have only reached that total in three weeks.

But she forgets, after a very comfortable 4 years making 2 to 3 times that amount a month. :)

Already she is looking for another income avenue, we have gone from insurance rep to tour guide to lace clothes designer and with that last thought she has booked a trip to Bangkok next week to check out lace fabrics, designers, wholesalers, etc. :roll:

I was all for doing the designer silver jewelry so that I could muck in and do some afternoon silverware. We have the contact retailer in Germany who gets the orders and they provide all the tools the patterns to make necklaces, bracelets,, earrings and then pay on a basis of the weight of the items produced.

Sounds a piss ball to me; my only drawback would be seeing what I am doing with reading glasses on! :lol:

I managed to complete the last few wall tiles and as expected I was short of a tile..well I stretched out four leftover cuts and made it upto half a tile missing so I used one of my spare decking tiles.

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The fact that it was brown in lieu of black and about 8mm thick in lieu in 6mm thick didn’t really matter as it will be under water and not really seen.

After completing the tiles I decided to make another mortar mix and run a chamfered fillet all around the perimeter from the top of the tiles to the top of the wall. This fillet will hide the exposed tile edge; ensure the top of the tiles are sealed and any splash will run inside the pond and it will look better.

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At the bottom I re filled between the concrete base and the underside of the tile. Some areas need 2cm of infill some didn’t need any but that was due to my pond bottom falling in every direction but the one I wanted!

On our way to the sign maker we stopped off at an aggregate yard as I had seen quite unusually a massive pile of topsoil. I needed about 1m3 for the planters but we are always wanting soil in other areas so we ordered 3m3.

I thought 400bt/m3 was a reasonable price and we paid 100bt for delivery. The stone gravel which we paid 750bt from the local merchant was only 600bt/m3 here

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The soil was delivered and I was already thinking that 2m3 would have been enough but I had to get a wiggle on and start moving some of it because the car was blocked in. :(

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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Chapter 13 day 48+49 contd

Planters filled and me having burnt another 1000 calories it was time for the final job on the pond…the tile grouting. One hour later, finished.

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Looking forward to setting up the pond again..I think for the third time and seeing if my tiling job holds water. :?
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:47 pm

Chapter 13 day 50

I am looking forward to the sound of water droplets bouncing onto felled logs again and fingers crossed hoping my tiles have gone some way to hold back the water. :roll:

After a sweep up, cleaning off grout stains and removing about 10 red and dead centipedes who think they can swim I repositioned all the logs again and replaced the plants.

Hosepipe at the ready…and switch on. :)

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While the pond was filling I was thinking “what a great job this is and I have smashed the budget yet again”

Having filled the planters yesterday with topsoil I removed a short row of shrubs from the edge of the lawn and re planted them in my new topsoil. It was only a 2.5m row but I hope this time they survive.

My efforts 2 years a go to replant a 10m row in the existing soil wasn’t too good….I think all 100 plants died, because I didn’t take enough care to look after them.

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30 minutes to fill the pond, just over 1m3 on my first fill. I need to monitor the water loss now.

Before tiling and sealing I was losing 1cm in 2 hours about 50 litres!. I will top it up again tonight and start measuring.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:56 pm

Chapter 13 day 51

I was eager to assess the water loss this morning. :?

I have been trying to make excuses and find reasonable reasons for some of the water loss; such as the total saturation of all my timber logs; the 25 degree night temperatures and 35 degree day temperatures evaporating some more, some evaporation from the bubbler pots and maybe a cat coming by for a drink.; the rest has to be seeping away through the concrete base.

Well the assessment was a marked improvement. Ok its not holding as well as a pond liner but the loss over night, 12 hours has been 2cm and the loss over today, a very hot day is again after 12 hours, 2cm. that’s 100 litres. Its seems a lot to me, I am just glad its not Chang, that 160 bottles. :shock:

Oh well on the bright side, 1m3 of water for us in the local villages is only 5bt so that water loss is costing us 1bt per day.


I ventured out to the flower market today to look for some low cover plants for the planters. It’s a dangerous place to go with money in your pocket as you can lose it quicker than going into a casino. :(

I wasn’t sure what I wanted really so I parked up and walked around and then tried to remember where I saw what. :wink:

I spent 800bt buying plants for 15/20bt those were the expensive ones.

I am a low maintenance (lazy) person when it comes to gardening. Being overcome with weeds puts you off yet we all think gardening is so easy, just wandering around your plot with some secateurs in hand and a garden trug int’other..tyes that is the dream that we all want.

A wander around with money in my pocket also saw me spend 4k on some concrete pavings. I want the log effect one so I have ordered 40 for delivery in two days. I can then finish all the front entrance area by next week

I am also tooled up with paint now. Bought another tub today, so tomorrows job is to paint these dwarf walls. I worry that if I start planting first its going to be a bit awkward to get the roller on the top face. :wink:
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:08 pm

Chapter 13 day 52 +53

Painting and planting;

An afternoon painting the dwarf walls in the blazing sun .It took longer than I expected and its still not finished.

I thought it would be easier to paint the wall first rather than paint around plants but in hindsight I should have planted first and painted after.

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The way I did it was pretty straightforward but you realize that digging out and planting up leaves wet soil spatters all along the newly painted tops. Wipe of off and it smudges soil into the paint ….hmm :oops:

After the first coat all round I needed to get the plants in. I have already had them here two days and if I don’t get them in quick they are going to be wilting.

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I have every confidence they will survive at least for a week!! The plants are in 6 inch wide plastic bags and its good potting compost so I should be able to slide off the bag and bed it in my soil nicely.

I have changed my planting layout a couple of times and one was Wasus ideas of moving the roses from the patio wall position to the open planters. She thought roses needed all around good light and she is probably correct. :)

I replanted a few existing shrubs and a couple or three spider plants we had potted up but just kicking around with no home.

Following the first coat of paint, it was evident that some areas were soaking it uplike a sponge so a second roll on coat everywhere and the job is all but done.


By late afternoon my pavings arrived. Two lads in a bright yellow 1975 open back Simca came with a cloud of black smoke following them. :lol:

But they were sensible in the fact that they both donned webbed back supports before lifting my pavings off onto the pallet I had prepared for them. :)

Next task…pavings. :)

After that I think we may be putting a hold on the spending.
There isn’t enough coming in for me to continue and besides that Wasu told me she had a quote from the second sign man. He wants 12k for the sign and his contractor wants 9k to fit 10 pre painted shera boards at 115bt each…oh and for some reason they deemed the existing steel frame inadequate just to milk us really.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:18 pm

Chapter 13 day 54

I have bought 33 wood effect pavings at 600mm longx 200mm wide and 7 at 800mm long. They are each 40mm thick so pretty robust and cost me 100bt and 135bt respectively

The plan is to set them out with a 100mm spacing and bed them on mortar dabs to prevent them from rocking or sliding.

The spaces around them I will fill with simple stone gravel the same as I was using for the concrete mixing.

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I have managed to lay all 40 today, all pointed in and now ready for the gravel. I have half a bucket of brown stain that the lads left me, so I can touch them up afterwards and get them looking clean and fresh.

My costs for the pond (and planters) have come in well under budget. I had budgeted 10k to build pond/planters, 2k for a pump 4k for tiling and 4k for pipework and feature bubbling pots and 1k sundries, paint.

I have spent in total including 500bt wasted on sealants and water repellants a total of 7800bt….oh and an on going water loss cost of 1bt per day and a pump running cost of 5bt a day :roll:
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:35 pm

Chapter 13 day 55

Wasu headed off to Bangkok today. She is on the hunt for lace as we now need a secondary income.
She will be starting to make lace dresses and camisoles and the like and like everyone else and their dog, trying to sell via fay-boo.

I will give her every support for this venture but I really wanted to be hands on and whilst the jewelry idea was more akin to my design and dextrous skills I am not going anywhere near her sewing machines. :wink:

Maybe I can model her camisoles for her. :)

So while the cats away….the mouse is busy busy as usual.

I decided to build a step to the front patio and use two of the pavers. I set it out to provide a 250mm tread albeit the pavers are only 200 wide I will fill the back in with gravel the same as elsewhere.

A quick bucket or mortar mix and it just needed two rows of bricks, three at the back to stop any potential rocking.

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After setting up the bricks, another mix was required for the render and thereafter the treads were bedded on.

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I had already got 3 bags of gravel leftover from previous jobs so I was able to estimate how many more I would require. I thought 8 but whilst at the builders yard filling up the back of the car I decided I didn’t want to venture further than 7

It was the right decision for the health of the car but in terms of returning, yes I surely do need that extra bag, plus one more. That can wait however until I have set up the quadrant entrance that leads to this masterpiece.

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An update from Wasu in Bangkok and she tells me her trip was a disappointment. I think she expected to find materials at half price than what she can get here but sadly not.

We have had this before and no doubt its common yet incorrect knowledge that Bkk is the cheapest place to get all your wholesale goods….maybe once but no so now.

When we opened the spa, we checked out the prices for towels here; foot towels, hand towels, bath sheets and we needed like 2 dozen of each.

Wasu said lets go to Bkk..JJ market?? they have everything there and cheaper. We can get the bus and still save money.
In Bkk we found the towel shops but the prices were not much different but as we had come all this way we decided to spend our 6/7k baht.

We were like two bloody donkeys carrying 5 dozen towels across the city and back to Mochit bus station. :(

Back in Chiang Mai a few days later we called back at the towel shop to check out bath robes and slippers.

Of course they tried to sell us towels following which Wasu advised that we had bought them already from Mr Towel in Bkk with only a 30bt saving.

“oh Mr Towel in Bangkok is my brother; did you not notice my shop also called Mr Towel”

:shock: Kcuf; what a wasted expensive trip..

I will no doubt get a further update of the lace market on her return but I am thinking this little venture is about to change.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Chapter 13 day 56

Its great being on holiday, stress free and no earache. Go to bed when I want, get up when I want; its lovely.
Being alone is lovely but not for too long mind.

Wasu went from Bangkok to Patts yesterday to meet up with her sisters family. The recent death of the young man and a further hospital admission for her mum with some kind of food poisoning has brought to the forefront about getting “things” in order.

She took out another personal health insurance policy last month and I think her trip to Pattaya is something similar but regarding the legal guardianship of her sisters son should anything happen to them.

We have also had a chat about wills and things. I have a feeling she thinks she will die soon.

I told her where my will was about 5 times; in an envelope in my travel holdall….she will get full custody of the spa naturally, and I have written down my atm pin number to my account which never has more than 20k baht in it for security reasons.

Come to think of it, my other holding account that always has at least 400k in it for the marriage visa doesn’t have an atm card for security reasons so how can she access that??? That needs addressing.

The downside for Wasu if I die is that she will have to continue paying the mortgage and the car but she could sell the spa and make it very easy or sell the house of course.

The only thing Wasu has stipulated to me if she dies is to be kind to her family if I sell the house. Upon her death, the mortgage is paid off and as I understand the rule is to sell up within 12 months. I am also the beneficiary on lump sum life insurance payouts on at least two policies.

Any road up……….she is on the bus tonight and I have to collect her at 8am sharp tomorrow morning. :)


Todays diy, was a trip to the builders yard to pick up 4 bags of gravel, two sand and 30 small bricks as I want to start the entrance quadrant.

Two of my gravel bags were to finish off between the pavings from yesterday and the other two I probably need for making concrete for my entrance area.

Using the same pavers I will make a sweeping quadrant but edged with bricks. I think concreting the base in the same fashion as before would be better and it allows water to run off and not flood.

Before I can begin though I need to set out the drive edge as this determines where the start of the quadrant is. :wink:
So doing a bit of chain surveying with bricks I set out the large sweeping curve that one day will become a kerb edge to the lawn/drive.

First task, to excavate a small trench only about 150mm wide and 50mm deep to bed on the two course of bricks. The first course will be the screeding line for the concrete floor and then the second course just the small upstand to retain the gravel around the pavers.

So, off we go…..

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….and two hours later we have the first course all set up.

Sadly rain stopped further play

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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:51 pm

Chapter 13 day 57

Its nice to have Wasu back and she is a good mood. :roll: Something has happened whilst she was away…should I ask? Dare I ask? I wont bother; its bound to lead to an argument……

….and theres two theories about arguing with a woman……..and neither one works. :(

I was doing a fair bit of running about today starting at 8am collecting her from the bus station.

I then had to call at the market to pick up two extra pavers. My original supplier wasn’t open despite his bright yellow car being parked outside. Maybe he was pissed up and wasn’t opening today. So I called at a more local supplier that I only came across by chance a few days ago.

I thought they looked ok and were only 80bt as opposed to 135bt that I paid for the 80cm slabs. That’s a big difference, however when I put the two together there is a vast difference in authenticity. :(

The original pavers had such a sharp wood detail with bolts/screw heads and indents but the cheap one looked as if it had the lookalike impression done with a yard brush. Crap really!

Its only the two and they will go in the quadrant entrance, but maybe for the back of the house these are ok. 50bt saving per slab is a lot and at the back and side I could need 70no…or perhaps I will just order a couple tons of gravel and have done with it.

After yesterdays shallow footing and brick course, today I mixed two loads of concrete and prepared the floor base.
I followed on late afternoon by mixing some mortar and laying the second upstand course of bricks which will be rendered and will retain the gravel infils.

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By very late afternoon, it’s the usual 5pm down pour. This last month has been piss wet indeed. Almost every day it has rained hard and its getting monotonous now.

I have made a lame attempt to protect the concrete from washing away. Its almost gone off after 5 hours but I have thrown sunshine shading and empty gravel bags on it.

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Todays 5pm downpour lasted about 15 minutes and I think that’s it for the day, I should be ok with my concrete.

Tomorrow I should get the pavers set up hopefully……..

………….wtf !!!! :cry: :cry:
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:03 pm

Chapter 13 day 57 contd

To my left as I write I caught sight of what appeared to be 50 gallons of water being dropped from a height. :(

As I went to look, yet another tree canopy has come crashing down from a height of 30m but this time its 2m from the house roof.

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Again it looks like the electric supply and fibre optics have taken the hit. :cry:

I have part of the tree canopy now sitting on the cables, and stretching them.

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That’s twice now in a month his trees have caught the wind. The thing is it wasn’t really windy at all and that’s even more worrying.

I got the ladders out and machete and climbed the wall to chop the branches up and lift it from the cables. Not sure what tree it is exactly but even a 4 inch diameter bough is very brittle. 4 or 5 chops with the machete and its through, it has very little flexibility in it at all so I can easily see that a strong wind could just snap off the 8 inch diameter trunk.

I wasn’t happy and let Wasu know that we need to be talking to the neighbours and getting them to cut every one in half.

They serve no purpose at 30m high, they don’t offer shade and they don’t even look nice, pointless trees infact. :roll:

“I don’t want to talk to him…you can talk to him”

“Darling you know that isn’t a sensible suggestion; what would happen if next time a tree falls and comes through our roof or damages the car or falls on me or you?”

“We will sue him” :(

“even if I am dead?
But doesn’t it make sense to suggest he chops them now rather than wait for a disaster; our British Governments faced with exactly that now when a fire has just killed 100 people and could have been prevented because it was anticipated.”

Oh well, next time I see the old man, he is approachable I will get him to talk to her.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:08 am

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Come to think of it, my other holding account that always has at least 400k in it for the marriage visa doesn’t have an atm card for security reasons so how can she access that??? That needs addressing.


Go to the bank and make her the beneficiary. She then has immediate and full access to the account on your death.

The only thing Wasu has stipulated to me if she dies is to be kind to her family if I sell the house. Upon her death, the mortgage is paid off and as I understand the rule is to sell up within 12 months.


The 12 month rule ONLY applies to land. You can own the house on the land.
Research "Usufruct" it is a way to control the land without ownership.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:19 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:
eyecatcher wrote:
Come to think of it, my other holding account that always has at least 400k in it for the marriage visa doesn’t have an atm card for security reasons so how can she access that??? That needs addressing.


Go to the bank and make her the beneficiary. She then has immediate and full access to the account on your death.

The only thing Wasu has stipulated to me if she dies is to be kind to her family if I sell the house. Upon her death, the mortgage is paid off and as I understand the rule is to sell up within 12 months.


The 12 month rule ONLY applies to land. You can own the house on the land.
Research "Usufruct" it is a way to control the land without ownership.



Yes i actually suspected it involved going to the bank and speaking to the manager.

regarding the usufructs; its been a while but I always thought I would be the sort of person to get myself a usufruct to safeguard my assets.
However some wise guy told me you cannot have a usufruct if your property is on a mortgage. the banks would not allow it.
(yet on her death its paid off so not in the banks control...hmm...will check yes)

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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:48 am

eyecatcher wrote:
regarding the usufructs; its been a while but I always thought I would be the sort of person to get myself a usufruct to safeguard my assets.
However some wise guy told me you cannot have a usufruct if your property is on a mortgage. the banks would not allow it.
(yet on her death its paid off so not in the banks control...hmm...will check yes)

thanks

The no Usufruct on mortgaged land is correct, one reason is that you don't have the Chanote, the bank does.

However the case is a little less clear if you have only mortgaged the house.
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Re: House Extension to "Baan Thai"….what happened next?

Postby eyecatcher » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:42 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:
eyecatcher wrote:
regarding the usufructs; its been a while but I always thought I would be the sort of person to get myself a usufruct to safeguard my assets.
However some wise guy told me you cannot have a usufruct if your property is on a mortgage. the banks would not allow it.
(yet on her death its paid off so not in the banks control...hmm...will check yes)

thanks

The no Usufruct on mortgaged land is correct, one reason is that you don't have the Chanote, the bank does.

However the case is a little less clear if you have only mortgaged the house.


in our case its unclear then. We obtained a mortgage on the original baan Thai and land then we re- mortgaged a further advance for the building loan. one mortgage now but two separate amounts with different loan periods.

A mortgage is by far the safest way to go in terms of protecting yourself financially.
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