Only in America [?]

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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:55 am

The NRA (as do the arms companies that fund it) love that people keep on repeating their slogan
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

How it should read is "Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill more people" But then it would not sell as many guns would it?

Armament makers want people to be afraid of other people with guns because frightened people buy guns to "defend themselves" Americans in general seem to buy into the marketing argument that "you need to defend yourself so you need a gun"

Canada seems to be a much less fearful country, this could well be one of the reasons why the number of gun deaths per gun owned is a lot less than in the U.S.
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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:40 am

Sometimewoodworker wrote:Armament makers want people to be afraid of other people with guns because frightened people buy guns to "defend themselves" Americans in general seem to buy into the marketing argument that "you need to defend yourself so you need a gun"

So, Jerome, are you saying Americans only buy guns because they need to defend themselves or because of marketing slogans? Even in Australia I found people with guns who didn't know how to use them, especially amongst the police. I can even recall the Australian Army Military Police didn't even carry any sorts of arms except under exceptional circumstances (payroll escort, military arms escort) and I've never heard of one of them being shot.
In the old days, before the government's scare campaign worked, a "crazy" could buy a gun and never use it, but it always seemed that the person with the gun who would use it, was a bikie, druggie or a drunken policeman (for no reason) and the plead fear of life by some unarmed crazy, when all they had to do was wait.
Just look at the police chases on Youtube, 40 police cars all following one speeder and no procedures to follow. Then watch them (the police) all pointing their pistols at some drunken woman......and if they did shoot they'd kill themselves in the cross fire, and all with pistols in their hands instead of hand cuffs. Then compare that to a policeman from Canada who would be called off a high speed chase because he/she wasn't qualified, they had the registered number of the vehicle or they knew the person driving. The British police are even better, except when they drive new BMWs over speed humps just to catch a 15 year old boy whose stolen a vehicle for a joy ride and then claim the vehicle could be used in an armed robbery if they didn't stop it.
The NRA is right, it's not the gun it's the idiot behind it with little or no training who's scared, or looking to kill.... mostly power mad scared police, I've found.
Gees and just look at them (the police), pepper/capsicum spray, stun guns, metal night sticks, body armour, yet they pull their last line of defence first, when in actual fact most of them shouldn't have even gotten into the tin pot police force they belong to anyway. Fat, unfit, thugs that they are. Whatever happened to "Hello, hello, hello, what have we here"? of a policeman talking with his mouth and not shooting with his last line of defence first?
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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:31 am

Roger Ramjet wrote:
Sometimewoodworker wrote:Armament makers want people to be afraid of other people with guns because frightened people buy guns to "defend themselves" Americans in general seem to buy into the marketing argument that "you need to defend yourself so you need a gun"

So, Jerome, are you saying Americans only buy guns because they need to defend themselves or because of marketing slogans?


Not really, it's that the media helped along by the arms makers publicise the idea that America is not a safe place, that you should be somewhat paranoid, that anyone can make themselves safer just by getting a gun.

I don't think that most people buy a gun because they need to defend themselves. I think they buy them because they think that the gun itself will make them safe without bothering to get the training they should have and the practice they need to actually use one.

In America, at least since you can't get rid of the guns, there should be a mandatory licence and test as there is for driving. It won't happen but would help a bit.

Even in Australia I found people with guns who didn't know how to use them, especially amongst the police. I can even recall the Australian Army Military Police didn't even carry any sorts of arms except under exceptional circumstances (payroll escort, military arms escort) and I've never heard of one of them being shot.
In the old days, before the government's scare campaign worked, a "crazy" could buy a gun and never use it, but it always seemed that the person with the gun who would use it, was a bikie, druggie or a drunken policeman (for no reason) and the plead fear of life by some unarmed crazy, when all they had to do was wait.
Just look at the police chases on Youtube, 40 police cars all following one speeder and no procedures to follow. Then watch them (the police) all pointing their pistols at some drunken woman......and if they did shoot they'd kill themselves in the cross fire, and all with pistols in their hands instead of hand cuffs. Then compare that to a policeman from Canada who would be called off a high speed chase because he/she wasn't qualified, they had the registered number of the vehicle or they knew the person driving. The British police are even better, except when they drive new BMWs over speed humps just to catch a 15 year old boy whose stolen a vehicle for a joy ride and then claim the vehicle could be used in an armed robbery if they didn't stop it.
too true.
The NRA is right, it's not the gun it's the idiot behind it with little or no training who's scared, or looking to kill.... mostly power mad scared police, I've found.

But if the idiot didn't have a gun, or didn't have such easy access to guns then the power mad police would have less excuse to be scared, or even be less scared,
Gees and just look at them (the police), pepper/capsicum spray, stun guns, metal night sticks, body armour, yet they pull their last line of defence first, when in actual fact most of them shouldn't have even gotten into the tin pot police force they belong to anyway. Fat, unfit, thugs that they are. Whatever happened to "Hello, hello, hello, what have we here"? of a policeman talking with his mouth and not shooting with his last line of defence first?

Agreed
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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby MGV12 » Sun May 29, 2016 8:41 pm


“Some days I am an optimistic pessimist ... other days I am a pessimistic optimist”
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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby MGV12 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:23 pm

Must be great to have such lovely neighbours. Everybody's friend and no problem smoking a spliff or two without a Mountie being up your ass:

Refugees Encounter a Foreign Word: Welcome

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/world ... f=headline

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Re: Only in America [?]

Postby BKKBILL » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:02 pm

MGV12 wrote:Must be great to have such lovely neighbours. Everybody's friend and no problem smoking a spliff or two without a Mountie being up your ass:

Refugees Encounter a Foreign Word: Welcome

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/world ... f=headline


We try. :mrgreen:

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