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Postby Sometimewoodworker » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:47 am

Roger Ramjet wrote:Now I went to those dealers and asked what cars they sold and they tell me they don't sell cars like the Suzuki Swift and Honda Jazz,

sure in that range there is 0

the reason they don't offer an 11 year warranty is because Thailand laws only stipulate a certain mileage and time


A usual BS answer from the dealer. They don't offer a longer warranty because they aren't very interested in selling. I'm sure that the Thai law (if there is anything related) doesn't limit the maximum warrantee that can be offered



and South Korean cars are made in South Korea,

Unless they start building in Thailand they can't offer anything worth the very much higher prices they have to charge.

The Elantra is like buying a family saloon,

Yes it is designed to complete with the Mazda 3 and others like it, which it does in Au but probably can't in Thailand due to the import taxes.



At least Mazda have stayed up with the latest technology so it won't be like buying a Ford, GMH or Chrysler.

You should probably include Toyta, Honda and most other makes sold in Thailand.

On the driver safety and other tech it looks like a 2 horse race with the Hyundai hobbled by building outside the Asean area.

The Korean range looks like 3 mini vans 1 small crossover and 1 midrange car. I think that technically they are all classed as cars.
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Postby schuimpge » Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:17 pm

Driver Safety testing for the latest Everest is nothing to complain about.
ANCAP 5 Star results.
In fact, all current Ford models sold and tested there have 5 star ratings except for the Ford Mustang..
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Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:53 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:The Korean range looks like 3 mini vans 1 small crossover and 1 midrange car. I think that technically they are all classed as cars.

No they are classified as vans, which escape Thailand's stupid laws and taxes, except for the Elantra which is the only car.
The warranty is set by the maker of the car, in this case Hyundai, who clearly advertise the 11 year warranty, but, which only applies to one vehicle sold here because that's the only car sold, which I'm not interested in.
The Elantra is a medium sized family car with a 1.7 litre motor and is out of my price range at 1 million baht which I have already stated. I already have a large luxury car for trips so why would I buy another for my daughter to go to work in?
As I said I would buy Hyundai because of the technology and the warranty and the no bullshit at the Stealers making up lies about how they are not going to replace a defective part, but as they don't sell the cars in Thailand then I'll have to go to Mazda the only other car maker who has kept up with the advances in technology and has a fair warranty.
Japanese car makers are just churning out the same old platform with exterior changes. The car itself has not changed in over 12 - 15 years, same platform, same motor, same seats, same old tired plastics and an upgrade in the onboard computer and that's it. Take Honda, the Jazz and City are the same, just a different body. The brakes are like milk bottle tops, the steering is like steering an old barge with time lag because of the size of the tyres and type. It's a cheap mean and nasty car, but Honda don't care, they sell. The VTEC motor is just okay, but for a 2 litre motor it's crap, the only good part about it is the VTEC (Variable Timing) that has never been known to breakdown, but that is one point for and hundreds against. And their satnav is from the dark ages (but only in Thailand) and for $2,500 (72,000 baht) extra, you would expect that to have been fixed, but no, it's still the same as three years ago. It's the English and Thai that conflict on their Satnav, the chip that goes under the front driver's side seat is made in Thailand and the English is Thailish and the Thai is regal Thai that nobody knows, but that's what the government have dictated.
The Japanese make two lots of cars here, one lot that stays, the rest for export, which are far superior. The more the Thai government screw around with the makers, the more the makers dig their heels in. They also have an out.......they have duplicate factories in the Philippines, so they can shut shop and move at their leisure.
Nissan are the same, they sell what used to be the Cefiro here as the top luxury car of their range, but in Japan it's the lowest in the pecking order and regarded as a medium sized cheap car. My wife works in the industry (Sumiden International) and she's been forced to go to all the meetings and she wouldn't allow me to buy Honda, Toyota or Nissan and I wouldn't buy Ford, GMH or Chrysler, so that leaves the Koreans or Mazda. Mazda 3 is over the 1 million so that leaves Mazda 2 at around the 800,000 mark for the top of the line model.
If you have insider information I don't have please impart it to me, I have just 3 months left before I buy the Mazda 2 and I think I've covered all the bases. I have owned these cars and as a Certified Police Driver (Motorcycle and High Speed Pursuit) I think the cars they are churning out today are crap when they don't have to be.
At least my BMW 525i drives and feels like a real car should.
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Re: Vehicles you've owned! Plus other vehicle stuff.

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:14 pm

schuimpge wrote:Driver Safety testing for the latest Everest is nothing to complain about.
ANCAP 5 Star results.
In fact, all current Ford models sold and tested there have 5 star ratings except for the Ford Mustang..



From what I have heard they are probably good in the crash tests and nice to drive but unless the company is chalk and cheese to the Australian branch they would be nowhere on my list of vehicles to ever consider.

They have got an interesting dual clutch that seems a bit unreasonably prone to expensive problems.

There is also a rather uncomfortable problem of certain models getting extremely hot (600+ everywhere within 120 seconds) since 2010 there have been 7 recalls in Au just related to that, not so, minor problem including the two models you have mentioned
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Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:17 pm

schuimpge wrote:ANCAP 5 Star results.
In fact, all current Ford models sold and tested there have 5 star ratings except for the Ford Mustang..

Yes Luc it's a good buy for what you got, but Ford are still 10 years behind the times....look at the Mustang, still won't go around corners and a crappy finish to an expensive car and the electronics are still in the days of the first computer. As well the Stealers are just that, they make all their money on servicing (over servicing) and their mechanics have never been sent on a course in their life. They come straight out of Tech School here as qualified motor mechanics, but they aren't.
When I had the Mitsubishi Lancer I watched them fit an automatic transmission to one of their pick-ups and when they ran through the gears it promptly spat all the transmission fluid all over the workshop floor (Mitsubishi Lat Proa) so even the new transmissions from the factory can be faulty (and I wonder who picked up that bill)!
I watched a new Mustang being taken to a FEMA motor show in the US where they immediately took out the front and rear suspensions and replaced them, then rewelded the body in a dozen places (Chip Foose Overhaulin') and fixed all the problems when it came out of the factory. If your interested all the Overhaulin' and Chip Foose videos are available on Youtube and you would be surprised at what Chip does to cars.
The man has the credentials as well, he's worked for the top car companies in the US and he'll tell you what is wrong with the car when it leaves the factory.
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Re: Vehicles you've owned! Plus other vehicle stuff.

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:46 pm

Roger Ramjet wrote:If you have insider information I don't have please impart it to me, I have just 3 months left before I buy the Mazda 2 and I think I've covered all the bases.

No insider information, as far as I know you have it exactly correct.

We are looking at getting something probably next year (2019) and the tech in the Mazda 3 has been pushing me toward that, the Mazda 2 could be big enough but (AFIK) it doesn't have the adaptive cruse control, and other stuff I want, that the 3 has.

So far I haven't been able to get enough information about the Elantra to know what specifications are available and at what price so it could be a contender.

I think the cars they are churning out today are crap when they don't have to be.

No arguments from me on that point.
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Postby schuimpge » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:22 pm

Dual clutch, yes, but don’t have that, so I’m not worried.
Funny though on the Mazda preferences as for years they’ve worked very closely with Ford.
Sure, both benefited in their own ways, and the current crop of Mazda cars is pretty good.

But overall form is a matter of taste, technical underpinnings are very close among brands and what ultimately sets you apart is simply the service you get. You have a problem? If it gets solved on the spot then you’ve already forgotten the problem and only remember the awesome service you got.

So what would I choose? A garage known for its service, regardless of the brand (to a certain extent
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Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:We are looking at getting something probably next year (2019) and the tech in the Mazda 3 has been pushing me toward that, the Mazda 2 could be big enough but (AFIK) it doesn't have the adaptive cruse control, and other stuff I want, that the 3 has.

I have adaptive cruise control in my BMW and it's a waste of time in Thailand because your always braking for some idiot going across three lanes doing 60 Kph in a 110 zone. I took it on the Tollway 5 lanes (130 Kph) coming back from my island in the sun and by the third idiot truck driver, 10th idiot ute driver, and 20th idiot woman driver in the fast lane doing 60 on a cell phone I gave up. I like setting things and then cruising and 130 kph is a breeze in the BMW, but watch the idiots with their so-called new cars hit those culverts (bridges) doing 130 and you'll wonder who designed the suspension as they bottom out and jump across lanes and all the people who think they are smart and will brake down to 80 kph before they get there and adaptive cruise control is not worth a cracker in Thailand.
But Mazda 3 is a small/medium car and does beat the crap out of the opposition, but Mazda 2 is for the city and has most of what the 3 has. It just depends on what you use it for. My first test drive is always to check the brakes and steering, the second is to see how fast it will go and stay stable at, even around corners. Front wheel drive vehicles will always drag to the left or right because of the length of the drive axles, which is why I like rear wheel drive. Ford are notoriously bad with torque steering, just point the car in a straight line and flatten the accelerator, but make sure you have your hands near the steering wheel as they will drag right. Honda is the same. So is Suzuki.
There are some good and very bad videos on Youtube about how to drive, even with torque steering trying to pull you into a concrete wall, you just have to be aware of the limitations of the car you get.
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Re: Vehicles you've owned! Plus other vehicle stuff.

Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:37 pm

schuimpge wrote:But overall form is a matter of taste, technical underpinnings are very close among brands and what ultimately sets you apart is simply the service you get. You have a problem? If it gets solved on the spot then you’ve already forgotten the problem and only remember the awesome service you got.

So what would I choose? A garage known for its service, regardless of the brand (to a certain extent

Totally true, it's why I dumped the dealer and went private. The secondhand bloke took me to a garage but as soon as I saw all the dusty BMW's sitting outside (some had been there months), I took it to a local bloke who specialised in Volvo and BMW and made a deal with him about the parts that went in (all German, no Chinese) and it took 12 months to get rid of the cheap Chinese crap and now I'm happy and I'll stick with him. And even some of the German parts fail, but at least you know they came out of the 4 manufacturers of BMW parts and they have a 98% chance of being okay.
It's all about cost with Ford, they don't care about anything else. Mazda have helped them, but in the end it boils down to how much profit they can make.
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Postby schuimpge » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:05 pm

Guess my driving is very different lol.
Sure agree about learning a car’s behavior though.
I consider myself a lazy driver, or maybe more of a tourer than a sportive driver.
When I drive, I stay in the fast lane. I keep a safe distance and brake as little and as moderately as possible.
Same for acceleration, as smooth and even as possible.

When it comes to speed, stay in the fast lane and match what the driver in front does at safe distance.
I only move over if the road is not crowded and I would hold up traffic that wants to go faster than the 110-120kph I regard as safe and comfortable.
Don’t care much about getting myself worked up about driving, so I take the easy approach and laugh about those idiots tailgating me when they see that 20m space in front of me with 40 kilometer per hour traffic. I know they go all nuts seeing that space as that’s like a red flag for a bull..they must and they absolutely NEED to get into that space..
Real fun watching that..

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Postby schuimpge » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:31 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:We are looking at getting something probably next year (2019) and the tech in the Mazda 3 has been pushing me toward that, the Mazda 2 could be big enough but (AFIK) it doesn't have the adaptive cruse control, and other stuff I want, that the 3 has.


Can testify that the Mazda 3 is a real nice car. My sales-lady bought one earlier this year and it's amazingly silent. comfortable not so much I think. Low seats and support is not ideal...but combined with the start-stop, HUD and other features, well, sure looks top of the bill. Not my car though, as I don't know how long all that tech would hold up, especially on Thai roads, where I really wonder how much vibration all those gadgets can withstand, especially because the car is positioned in a cut-throat competition segment of the car-market in Thailand.
In the end, the more gizmo's you have in a car, the more that can go wrong.
And while around Bangkok you might still have a good chance that it survives a good part of the car's lifespan, when you're living in the sticks, I'd sure go with a good SUV or Pickup, especially when raining season is around the corner. Not even talking about road-safety here, where bigger in Thailand sure is better for your survivability..

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Postby Roger Ramjet » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:06 am

schuimpge wrote: Low seats and support is not ideal...but combined with the start-stop, HUD and other features, well, sure looks top of the bill. Not my car though, as I don't know how long all that tech would hold up, especially on Thai roads, where I really wonder how much vibration all those gadgets can withstand, especially because the car is positioned in a cut-throat competition segment of the car-market in Thailand

The stop start feature is really a waste of time and you'd be lucky to save 1 litre of petrol or diesel in 2 months. It will also flatten the battery that is not designed to do that. I agree the seats and comfort in a car are prime factors in buying one. Our Suzuki Swift is horrible, I can't drive it because of the shocking road vibrations on just small bumps that transmits to my arthritic hands and the seats are 3rd rate.
When compared to the BMW I have (same price), I get leather seats that are fully adjustable, including side support, head and neck rest support, height and length support, and most of all real back support. If you haven't got any of them then all you have to do is, before driving off adjust them and with the BMW you get two memory settings so if the little Miss does borrow it, I just press memory button 1 or 2 and get it back to the way I like it. We took the Swift to Hua Hin just once and then I bought the BMW and will never ever take the Suzuki Swift on a long run again.
As far as the electronics being shaken loose, it just doesn't happen. That includes the Lancer, Jazz (2) and Suzuki. The boss of the repair shop came to my house when I had trouble with electronics at one stage and the dealer had played with the wires that are hidden in the driver's side door (they had no idea what they were doing) and warning lights appeared on the dash. After we pulled the door trim off we found the dealer had pulled out wires and all they needed was to be replaced (I have the electrical wires and so did my mechanic) and they were resoldered, stripped and reinserted in their correct slots and all the lights went out. You have to know where to look in the BMW, everything is "hidden" behind the door trim, in the boot behind the mouldings and in various other areas of the car. As long as some Thai doesn't start playing in an area he knows nothing about, the car should be fine.
The more research I do the more I like the top of the line Mazda 2 and nobody I know who has a Mazda has ever complained about the dealers, which is more than I can say about Suzuki. They had a total recall of the whole steering column right down to and including the front end and power steering box, but we weren't notified they just waited until I took it in for service and then replaced the whole thing that took two hours, with no explanation. Not good.
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Postby Sometimewoodworker » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:33 am

Roger Ramjet wrote:
I have adaptive cruise control in my BMW and it's a waste of time in Thailand adaptive cruise control is not worth a cracker in Thailand.
But Mazda 3 is a small/medium car and does beat the crap out of the opposition, but Mazda 2 is for the city and has most of what the 3 has. It just depends on what you use it for.

I think that if ADC is a waste of time & money will very much depend on where you live, the usual roads you use and your driving style.

The main distance we drive is on route 2 between city's, we usually drive at the speed limit (too many speed checks to waste money on) and the traffic will usually allow that. So, I guess, that ADC will be usefully used for over 90% of the trip distance.

I haven't driven anything that has any kind of cruse control so I'm mostly guessing. Certainly the non adaptive type would probably be not much use, but for us I think that ADC will be used often.

Having ridden, driven (and been driven) in and around BKK a bit (30 years motorcycle, car and taxi) I can see that it's not much use there and having followed you once I can easily see why it's no good for you. :lol:

We are 500km from BKK and while it's still Thailand and Thai drivers it's a bit slower paced and fewer people driving quite as badly.
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Postby Klondyke » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:58 am

Roger Ramjet wrote:I have adaptive cruise control in my BMW and it's a waste of time in Thailand...

I too disagree. Of course you cannot use it everywhere. I have got it in my 7-aut.gear Skoda Superb and I enjoy it on any long distance routes in the North or South. I remember driving from Surat Thani across the land to the south along highway 44, for few hours you can get your feet on the dash board and have a nap...
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Postby Roger Ramjet » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:19 pm

Sometimewoodworker wrote:Having ridden, driven (and been driven) in and around BKK a bit (30 years motorcycle, car and taxi) I can see that it's not much use there and having followed you once I can easily see why it's no good for you.


I'm a stickler for driving safely with speed. I was taught by an old NSW police senior sergeant at Saint Ives (New South Wales). If you are going to use the fast lane then you should drive at speed, if you get caught over the limit (set for wet weather), that's your fault for not having a radar detector. I was also on the Military Police motorcycle demonstration team that used to tour Australia and I regarded all of the team as temporary Australians. :lol:
Lazy drivers cause accidents. During my time with the Military Police (12 years) I was seconded to the NSW Police Accident Assessment Unit for 6 months. During that time we found that not one accident had been caused by speed (outright), there were always mitigating factors and many of those factors were caused by lazy drivers and they became indignant when questioned why they were in the fast lane doing under the speed limit and not letting other people pass. The older the person the more indignant they became when they were asked why they didn't allow other drivers to pass them. The excuse was "they were speeding", which is not an excuse as they didn't enforce the traffic code. In most cases they were the cause of a fatal accident (which was the finding of the coroner after our evidence). People get frustrated with lazy drivers, even in Thailand.
I too like to engage adaptive cruise control, but within 200 clicks of Bangkok you can't do it, well you can, but it's a waste of time. Thais are not taught how to drive safely. Their films are brilliant, but having sat through two I noticed that not one Thai paid attention, even though they used movie stars, all the Thais were on their cell phones and they do not go through a driver training course.
Aussie drivers are bad enough, but Thais are three times as bad, and the farangs who put their feet up are even worse (take note Luk :D ). Driving requires 100% concentration and awareness and adaptive cruise control makes people lazy and lazy drivers cause accidents.
Just have a look on Youtube at the videos there (Russia especially) and they are forced by their insurance companies to mount dash cams because they are lazy.
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