What is a good Driveway cement?

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What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby kknaj » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:21 am

I'm planning the front of the house including driveway cement and the area to the right of the front door. I have some questions about the difference between the cement poured out of a truck and smooth cement used for many driveways. I noticed there are more smooth driveways than the regular foundation cement.

Is there a difference between the 2? Cement poured for foundation vs cement for a driveway?

I dont want to use cement at the front of the house, I would prefer coloured cement pavers but the cost seems to be over 200 baht per m2. I was thinking of putting some coloured regular tiles in the cement to make it more attractive.

Is there a different cement I should be asking for the driveways? is this usually hand mixed or ordered from a cement company and poured from a truck?

For the driveways that have a few regular tiles placed in the cement in a pattern, is there some special materials required or are they just pushed into place as the cement is drying?

What would the costs be per sq meter for the different cements?
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby kknaj » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:30 am

Just to add to my above post, I heard something about white cement. Is this something that can be ordered from a regular cement company and poured from a truck?
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby pattayapope » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:35 am

Have you thought about any other cheaper options like granite chips? all my driveway inside the house area is done with small granite chips about 2 " deep laid on sunshade netting, see attached pictures for refference. I am not sure of the cost per square meter but I would think it is about 80 baht which is cost of JCB rental, stone chips and mesh netting and labour to spread it. You need to put some drainage channels in it to clear the water away quickly my works fine and have had pickups driving over when we had some recent heavy rains and no problems, just don't make it too thick. My first experiment was 4 inch deep and the truck just kicked up stones

I have a concrete external drive which is extra heavy duty which cost about 500 baht a square meter but if you built it yourself I would guess around 200 to 250 baht a square meter for materials. Plain concrete as you say is pretty ugly and stains after a while that is why I went with the stone option.

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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby kknaj » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:23 pm

Thanks Pattayapope,

For a larger area such as yours it would be a good option. Unfortunately this inner city area it would not suit and isnt very big. Its about 50m2 for driveway and car area.

Anyone know about white cement or some kind of smooth cement?
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby geordie » Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:22 am

the normal mix you use for the flooring will smooth quite well if you specify that is the way you want it laid
you could add dye to the mix to make it colored or throw the dye onto the wet concrete
and make it muli colorer by troweling the dye into the surface
adding a waterproofer to the mix will prevent a lot of discoleration (need spelcheck) it will not stop it entirely but it will stand up to time a lot better
you could tap tiles into the concrete in theory but in practice you will break a lot of them and will not have enough time to set out a pattern normally you lay out the pattern with string lines and work to the line,s

google= paving expert A J McCORMACK you will find a load of stuff on there 10/10 for content
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby Maseratimartin » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:06 am

kknaj wrote:I dont want to use cement at the front of the house, I would prefer coloured cement pavers but the cost seems to be over 200 baht per m2. I was thinking of putting some coloured regular tiles in the cement to make it more attractive.



Be carefull with tiles inserted...regular tiles have only a thinn glazing and this is easy to damage...just a stone in the profile of your tires is enough!
Further most tiles are very slippery when wet....you would not be the first who parked into the wall... :shock:
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby kknaj » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:48 am

Thanks for the input :) I'll see what is available from the local suppliers
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby erikr69 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:36 am

Maseratimartin wrote:
kknaj wrote:I dont want to use cement at the front of the house, I would prefer coloured cement pavers but the cost seems to be over 200 baht per m2. I was thinking of putting some coloured regular tiles in the cement to make it more attractive.



Be carefull with tiles inserted...regular tiles have only a thinn glazing and this is easy to damage...just a stone in the profile of your tires is enough!
Further most tiles are very slippery when wet....you would not be the first who parked into the wall... :shock:


Agree that tiles will be slippery, but you may get away with paving block inserts. Instead of doing a full paved driveway
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby dozer » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:41 am

Just to add to my above post, I heard something about white cement. Is this something that can be ordered from a regular cement company and poured from a truck?
White cement is available in 25 KG bags at all building material centers, eg. Homemart. It is used for decorative applications normally although it supposedly has the same strength characteristics as the grey variety. Due to the light coloration is it much more expensive than the grey variety and is not available by truck (afaik).
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby kknaj » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:32 pm

dozer wrote:
Just to add to my above post, I heard something about white cement. Is this something that can be ordered from a regular cement company and poured from a truck?
White cement is available in 25 KG bags at all building material centers, eg. Homemart. It is used for decorative applications normally although it supposedly has the same strength characteristics as the grey variety. Due to the light coloration is it much more expensive than the grey variety and is not available by truck (afaik).


Thanks Dozer. We ended up going for the regular truck cement but had the building team smooth it all off after an hours wait or so. Look pretty good after being smoothed. Also our budget has run out so we didnt want to put extra into that part. Also we ended up tiling our whole carport as it only cost about 1700 baht in tiles because we used the 115 baht per m2 large brown tiles.

Would still like to know more about the pebble mix (sandwash?) walkways and driveways. Do you have data on the prices, suppliers and how its done. I haven't seen any data on here about that.
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby geordie » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:55 am

kknaj wrote:Would still like to know more about the pebble mix (sandwash?) walkways and driveways. Do you have data on the prices, suppliers and how its done. I haven't seen any data on here about that.


Jazzman is the one to talk to about sandwash all aspects of it my sister in law had it done i did not particularly like it very harsh on bare feet guaranteed non slip though she had some
trims cemented down first then the sandwash was laid to the top level of the trims dead smooth ??? straight would be a better word a couple of centimeters thick only i would have doubts about the lifespan as a driveway but does look really nice and not outrageously expensive would really make nice paths
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby BKKBILL » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:21 am

Here is a Thai site that may be of some help.

http://www.treetouch.net/index.php?lay= ... nt_id=2790

I've had no dealings with this company. If you Google "sandwash thailand" then just click images.
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby MGV12 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:49 am

I have been very happy with the sandwash applied to columns and the carport floor in my place and the prices were reasonable at 270 Baht/M2 using grey cement and 430 Baht/M2 [with a different grit] for white cement ..... all in.

When you start talking fancy designs like that in the pic above the price usually goes through the roof.

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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby geordie » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:20 pm

hello mgv12 did not realise you had it done and not too bad a price i think jazzman said somwhere on a thread that they where charging 4/500 in the pattaya area how is it standing up to car traffic and did you put a sealer over it
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Re: What is a good Driveway cement?

Postby MGV12 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:18 pm

geordie wrote:hello mgv12 did not realise you had it done and not too bad a price i think jazzman said somwhere on a thread that they where charging 4/500 in the pattaya area how is it standing up to car traffic and did you put a sealer over it


Hi geordie .... we did get one quote for standard 'yellow' sandwash of 250 Baht/M2 but the guy wasn't too convincing and so we went with the other one who was very professional ... brought sample pieces of the actual finishes he offered and arrived with a team who were all good at applying it. My opinion is that it's best, as with the ceiling work, to go for a specialist team who are doing this work day in day out as there is an 'art' to it if you are looking for a perfect finish. As it's just a car parking area and not a driveway it just gets the in/out wear and tear and no wheel turning which does apply a lot more stress to the surface ... we have blockwork to the outside area. The side I don't work on still looks great after a power wash but would probably stay that way longer if it was sealed.

It has been on for 9 months and as an experiment to see how it stands up ... as I have seen conflicting reports ... I did not seal it. The columns look great and there is no sign of wear on the floor but there is some discolouration as I still use one side as a workshop. With hindsight I would have sealed it straight off as the use of cement,paints and other products have left a few marks but most clean off well with the power washer and the odd stubborn area can be cleaned with the acid they use to wash off the excess surface cement when they apply the sandwash ... available from a local material shop. Anyone who uses it BE CAREFUL as it's strong stuff.

One other recommendation is to decide exactly what you want done and where as a 'one hit' job. The good teams will only take larger jobs ... the one we used had a minimum of 20,000 Baht otherwise "It's not worth our while' ... ours worked out at 23850 Baht. Afterwards there were some additional areas we wanted doing which would have been maybe 10,000 Baht but even as a previous customer they weren't interested ... mind you they are based about 40Kms from us. We are still looking for someone good to do the other stuff as a couple of guys who did come to look 'took the Mickey' on their quotes.

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