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Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby kknaj » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:21 pm

I've seen some really nice driveway pictures in a few Thai home magazines. I'm looking for a dark brown driveway with stamped concrete to make it look like slate or stone. Anyone know any suppliers or have any experience with this? Any idea about the cost per square meter?

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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:33 am

Last time it was dicussed winfloor were in fact the subject company if you revew postings by thaifly you should be able to find the discussion i think he shelved the idea of having it because of the expense its not cheap and does suffer the same pit falls as any concrete in spite of the costs you can mimic whtever you want from paving through to tiles and its dyed so if you want it pink ??
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby dozer » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:39 pm

I got a quote from them recently. It was 600 per square meter with a minimum area requirement (maybe about 40?).
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:27 pm

that ties in with what thaifly was quoted a while back i refered to that particular post because i had a discussion on it i had a training course on laying it even got the videos somewhere the main reservation i would have over there would be the speed at which it dries and the tools are hellish expensive not just the mats
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby kknaj » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:53 pm

Thanks very much for your replies.

Does anyone know what would be a price comparison between the following:

Regular cement driveway per m2
Pebble mix per m2
Tiled surface per m2
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:46 pm

some years ago i worked on a site that was casting retaining walls fair faced
They painted a jelly like substance on the shuttering so that when it was removed you could with just a good presured hosepipe wash off the surface exposing the agregate giving it a more decorative apearance similar to pebbledash i have to admit it is a good 30+ years and i saw it on one site only anyone ever seen or heard of it or the process if it could be revitalised it would make for a less boring concrete drive way
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:21 pm

for anyone interested the stuff refered to in the above posting is still available its called simply a surface retarder and i would think as the name implies it stops the surface of the concrete setting so you can wash it away using the exposed agregate as a finish you could go a step further by mix and match with the agregate you use to make a boring slab more apealing it can be aplied either in the mould or sprayed on to poured consrete a bit of experimenting would be required as i have not seen it done in more years than i care to remember i imagine it could with a small pea shingle form a nice non slip surface for a deck or pool area got to be a better option than wall to wall concrete and depending on price 25ltr drum it could work out fairly reasonable as a metholdogy exposed retaining walls would benifit from it and look quite ornate i will try and get more on costs coverage and use as i know the driveways over ther deteiorate fairly quickly
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby canopy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:13 pm

I have a 25sqm project I think would work well with stamped concrete. Encouraged to hear Winflor will go anywhere I contacted them and they have a 200sqm minimum to get to where I am. Any other sources to check before giving up on stamped concrete?
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:36 pm

tell them you want the 24 meters as a sample and if you are happy you will consider the other 176 meter later :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

at least you got a reply ?? did you ask them if they knew of anyone trading in your area or at least a bit more local it is sutch a specialist field they may be supplying materials to a smaller contractor or ask them where they purchase their materials matts/stamps dyes tools sealers all tend to come frome one source again you may be able to do a bit of backtracking and find another contractor in your vicinity
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby canopy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:52 am

Classifying it as a reply would be kind. Winflor responsiveness went like this: I sent an email request: no response. So I called them and they said a sales agent will contact me: no one calls. I called them again and they say sorry, 200sqm minimum. I then asked if they know of a suitable company and they say no. I've also asked around my area regarding stamped concrete, Home Marts, etc but no one has heard of it. Would prefer a team who knows what they are doing to come out rather than a first timer to help assure the right fit & finish.
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:23 pm

geordie wrote:that ties in with what thaifly was quoted a while back i refered to that particular post because i had a discussion on it i had a training course on laying it even got the videos somewhere the main reservation i would have over there would be the speed at which it dries and the tools are hellish expensive not just the mats


I have started to look at concrete for the driveway. Had stamped concrete back in Melb, would like it here. Home Sukkapan have a contractor that does it, they are called Stone Build. Anyways, its something like 700 baht/sqm, way too pricey for the areas I need.

So Geordie, referring back to your training course, is it something the workers and I can learn and do ourselves?

I would love to have something like this at the front of the house:

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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby geordie » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:59 pm

the concrete has a very fine mix to it with fibres added for strength it also has a high slump rate which would fit in well over there as they tend to put in too mutch water anyway
the dye is powdered and is spread by hand across the concrete surface and then trowled in to it then the stamps are applied followed by a jet wash to create light and dark shades to the dyed surface and sealed afterwards

So yes you could PLAY and train a team to do it

the concrete when its laid is not smothed perfectly it undulates slightly as part of the pattern
to stamp it you have rubber mats which you put on the surface and tap down initially to stamp the patern you may have to use a board and your smallest worker will stand on it
as you progress (the stamps come as an interlinking set)you move the stamps forward making sure you are following the pattern so ideally you have enogh stamps for two rows
The art here is deciding when to start as the concrete tends to go off very quickly so having started with your lightest worker and a board to spread the weight you then will need to get on it youself as the heaviest person there putting all your weight on it to leave an impression
it can go off too quickly leaving you unable to stamp it and so you have to move very quickly
You have got to put in regular expansion joints anyway so if it does go off too quickly you put a grinder through it to form a straight edge bin the bit that is no good and start again
Baiscally its not dificult to do although i would make the first couple of attempts around the back of your observatory out the way untill you can learn to judge how mutch powder/dye surface hardener you need to apply
Then how mutch talc to apply to stop the mats lifting the surface as you move them
At what point will it support you stamping it and hold the pattern
how hard you hit it with the jet wash to lighten some areas to enhance the pattern
On you example you showed two different coulours you will have to mask up all the first colour before you do the second and all the walls you are near will have to be masked also
because the dye/surface hardener gets everywhere

You could get the 700 bht a meter people out to do a few meters first as a sample of their work and set bee up with a video camera maybe uncle and a couple of the workers could be on hand with nothing to do that day and you could delegate them to help :wink: :wink:
you need to find out the names of the materials they use and who supplies them also where
to buy or hire the mats as its still a specialist process ther are not many suppliers
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Re: Coloured driveways? stamped comcrete

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:04 pm

geordie wrote:the concrete has a very fine mix to it with fibres added for strength it also has a high slump rate which would fit in well over there as they tend to put in too mutch water anyway


Thanks a lot Geordie, let me go through it a bit and understand the process more, I will probably have some more questions.
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