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CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby jazzman » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:18 am

Plasterboard (sheetrock) ceiling prices
Materials and labour prices as at 10 March 2009,
Source: GlobalHouse, Udon Thani , invoice No 14244, 10 March 2009

You will probably need you browser set to Text Encoding UTF-8 and a Thai font installed to read the Thai names for the materials.
Macintosh computers usually have a Thai font installed as standard.

These are the quantities for:
4 rooms at a total of 68.80 m2
Four bathrooms using special plasterboard for humid areas at a total of 11.20 m2

Materials:
Plasterboard 240 x 120 x 9mm ยิมชั่มบอร์ด-บ้าน9มม.ลาด 30 @ 149 baht each
Plasterboard for wet rooms ยิมชั่มบอร์ด-กันซื่น9มมใลาด-บ้าน 5 @ 225 baht each
Rails ชีลาย-บาง(สีขาว-เทา) 100 @ 24 baht each
Clips แากสังกะสี 8ฟุต 80 @ 7 baht each
Locking plates ล้อคกิ้งคีย์ 3.15 200 @ 1.20 baht each
Plaster ปูนยิมชั่ม-R--300 25 Kg bag (BPB) 2 bags @ 195 baht each
Screws whiteตะปูขาว18มิล 18mm 1 box @ 68 baht
Screws plasterboard สกรูยิงแผ่นยิมชั่ม1 x 63J (25mm) 7 boxes @ 52 baht box
Jointing tape ผ้ายิมชั่ม 7 rolls @ 18 baht each

Labour (direct employed)
3 workers, 5 days @ 350 baht man/day: 5,250

Conclusion:
Total cost approximately 160 baht per m2 for materials and labour.

NOTE 1: A contractor will probably charge double for the labour.
NOTE 1: On a lump-sum quotation, a contractor will add 30 - 100% profit to the materials costs.
Last edited by jazzman on Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby dozer » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:54 pm

The labor only cost here in Pattaya for ceiling specialists is 60 baht per square meter (as a point of comparison).
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby jazzman » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:24 pm

Yes, which concurs exactly with my calculation above. I was reflecting on what someone had been quoted recently by a firm near here, for which, unless I had grossly misunderstood what was involved, the price was outrageous - so much so that I offered to lend him my labour at half the price just to prove a point. Offer rejected.
Hence the detailed posting above.

Our own ceilings in the motel are nearly finished. Total time for four rooms, four bathrooms, circular recesses for ceiling fans,total area 80 m2: 3 men, 6 days.
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby dozer » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:23 pm

Another point on my own recent experience was when buying the materials locally and using a labor only specialist to install the ceiling the savings were about 30% - 35% overall vs a all inclusive price bid (which concurs with your notes). Of course the persons doing the all inclusive price bids will insist (quite logically I might add) that you can't save any money by buying the materials and then getting a labor only price for installation. Therefore they won't quote labor only....
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby thaifly » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:07 am

dozer wrote: Therefore they won't quote labor only....

gidday dozer...its the thai fly from mae rim...yeah cobber...same principle in our district...all in quote only..which was 240 baht a sq metre .....fancy work a additional 10 baht a sq metre....and our contractor who we engaged inatially to the main part of our build was back 9 months later to do the sala for us as his work was first class.... he had portable scaffolding as well....indeed a smart operator...and i feel at a fair price also...nice to see you doing some posts...and not lurking in the shadows.....its a SHITTROCK GIDDAY to all...its the thai fly from mae rim
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby jazzman » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:18 am

I've never seen any poorly finished plasterboard ceilings. perhaps because of the complex recesses, the workers consider it to be an art form rather than a mundane construction process. It would be nice if all Thai workers wold go about their work with the same attitude.

To summrize, in both rural Isaan, and Pattaya, the cost of materials and labour works out at exactly 160 baht per m2.
In Chiang Mai prices are exactly 50% higher.
If anyone in other regions is having ceilings done, perhaps they could add their prices to the list
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby thaifly » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:54 am

jazzman wrote:
To summrize, in both rural Isaan, and Pattaya, the cost of materials and labour works out at exactly 160 baht per m2.
In Chiang Mai prices are exactly 50% higher.

gidday to the great jazzman...fine your price is 160 sq metre...but that is hire labour and buy materials price...no profit for contractor is in that price...as i said we were not in a position to do the same...in our district.. we had to engaged a contractor to do the work on that basis....there fore..240 a sq metre is a fair price....jassy your prices are often misleading on C.T.H. as most members cannot at times engaged direct labour hire as easily as you can..therfore a we have to hire a contractor...and of coursethis comes at a higher price...which i feel is acceptable under the circumstances...so all in all...saying that C/MAI prices are 50% higher is not correct...when you have all THE NUTS AND BOLTS IN PLACE....its A LOVELY GIDDAY TO ALL its the thaifly from mae rim
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby jazzman » Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:13 pm

It's only misleading to anyone who has not read the thread from the beginning. In the interests of disambiguation I always take great care to state whether the prices I quote are directly employed labour prices, or lump sum, and what the expected contractor profit margins could be. Dozer has also confirmed that these are correct based on his own recent experience.

It is a personal choice whether people wish to hire their own labour and purchase their own materials, or to prefer a turn-key solution from a contractor. However, a member of this board in Isaan was recently quoted 40,000 baht just for the labour for the ceiling of a 100 m2 house - that works out at 400 baht labour per m2
I think you will agree that he deserves some information to be able to decide if that is a fair price or not. After all, that's what this forum is for.
Either way, between contractors and direct hire, there is no guarantee of perfect quality although ceilings are probably the highest quality workmanship in any part of the house.
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby bngldsmth » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:12 pm

jazzman wrote: However, a member of this board in Isaan was recently quoted 40,000 baht just for the labour for the ceiling of a 100 m2 house - that works out at 400 baht labour per m2


I presume this refers to the work that I am having done? the price for labour of around 40,000 baht was for the ceiling, electrics and painting. More than your costs but not quite that outrageous!

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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby thaifly » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:14 am

jazzman wrote:Total cost approximately 160 baht per m2 for materials and labour.

NOTE 1: A contractor will probably charge double for the labour.
NOTE 1: On a lump-sum quotation, a contractor will add 30 - 100% profit to the materials costs.
gidday to the great jazzman...its the thaifly from mae rim...further to my last post... your above info..confirms that my price which is now 230 baht a sq metre after checking my records last nite...is very comparable to your 160 baht a sq metre...as your price has no mark ups ....that you have highlighted above.....mine have ...due to the only route to take was to engaged a contractor to do the work and as i have already said i was very happy to pay the ...OVERS... or his nett profit.. as i mentioned in my post to dozer...in our district we had to take a ALL IN PRICE....AS WE ARE NOT IN A COZY SITUATION AS YOU ARE HAVING A COMPANY AT YOUR FINGER TIPS...TO GET A BARE BONES PRICE...WE LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD....and i wished to point to C.T.H. MEMBERS ..that our price of 230 baht a sq metre...is a very fair price for shittrock..as naturally the thaifly obtained two other quotes..which were margainly higher.... jassy i again express that our price is not 5o% over the odds...as the real reasons as stated above...have to be taken into consideration....its a MY POINT OF VIEW GIDDAY TO ALL...ITS THE THAIFLY FROM MAE RIM
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby thaifly » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:36 am

bngldsmth wrote: the price for labour of around 40,000 baht was for the ceiling, electrics and painting. More than your costs but not quite that outrageous!

gidday ben...its the thaifly from mae rim...no matey take it from the thai fly..that your price is not outrageous as the great jazzman states...BEN...you are in the real world doing your best and if the OLDIES are happy with the contractor work and price ...so be it....i feel the price is a little over the odds...but at times we have to bite the bullett...as we are not in a cozy positions as some others are...and BEN ...the thaifly has bit the bullett several times during his build....it must be remembered that you cant win every round in a build ..as long as as you end up with a points decision win...you have been kissed on the arse by a fairy....a small tip ..make sure you get 3 good coats of paint on the ceiling as you have certainly have paid for it...its a LIVERPOOL AND CHELSEA GIDDAY TO ALL...ITS THE THAIFLY FROM MAE RIM
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby jazzman » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:20 pm

Update:
In my earlier post on ceiling labour I stated:
jazzman wrote:Labour (direct employed)
3 workers, 5 days @ 350 baht man/day: 5,250


I have just paid off the ceiling team - these are an outside team and not part of my regular crew.
They have done an excellent job. They actually took 5 1/2 days and on two days they were four men.They wanted a total of 6,000 baht to take into account all the circular recesses for the ceiling fans.

The price I paid had nothing to do with any influence or special connections I have in the area. The work was organised and negotiated by my foreman - the real world.

Pictures and comments on the work and materials starts here: http://coolthaihouse.com/cthpics/thumbn ... =76&page=3
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby DrDave » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:30 pm

Back to the subject at hand - ceiling quotes....
I was quoted a price of 300 baht/m2 all in, using foil-backed sheetrock. about 6m2 will need to be greenboard, so I would expect the quote to go up a little. Total area will be about 82m2, with no fancy details.

Everyone I've talked to considers 300/m2 to be high, and I tend to agree. But... I also agree with jazzman regarding his comment that sheetrock work in Thailand seems to be more of an art than mundane gruntwork. I've never really seen a bad job, and like jazzman, wish that other tradespeople had the skill and approach to their work that the sheetrock guys seem to have.

The 300/m2 quote is coming from the place who will be making our aluminum windows (in Chiangkham, Phayao). Looking around a little, I can probably find a cheaper price, but for sure I don't want to entrust this job to the local village muppets.
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby thaifly » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:02 am

DrDave wrote:
Everyone I've talked to considers 300/m2 to be high, and I tend to agree.

The 300/m2 quote is coming from the place who will be making our aluminum windows

gidday to the doc.....its the thai fly frommae rim....may be that is the best price you can do in your area...so be it... ....but thanks for confirming that thai flys price of 230 BAHT a sq metre is indeed a fair one...and not 50% OVER THE ODDS as a nother member has stated on this thread and topic....the following will make you mind boggle somewhat..last week i visited a very good mates build who incidently is a C.T.H. MEMBER ...and he has received a quote of 190 BAHT A SQ METRE.....the very main reason of such a good price..was that he leaned on his contractor.. BIG TIME.....because he was also giving him other contracts on his build....hence a discount was acheived in good spirit and good business.....i hope the penny has dropped..see your aluminium people..you may well acheived the same deal... ITS A WHEELING AND DEALING GIDDAY ...its the thai fly from mae rim
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Re: CEILING: complete materials and prices 10 March 2009

Postby tung » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:50 pm

Can someone explain to me what is required to hang the plasterboard ceiling on a two storey house.


The upper floor I presume would be hung from the roof steel work. Does this require the same componets Jazzman has outlined?


The ground floor will have concrete slabs to suspend the rails from. How does this work and what materiels are needed for this.


Is the cost to suspend from the concrete slabs more expensive than from the roof steel?

ps

Just enquired about the 9mm plasterboard and was quoted 145 a piece slightly better than the 149 from March 2009, nice to see some prices falling :-)


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