Guttering or No Guttering?

[geordie]

fred at least we are in agreement on the reasons why you should have gutters i am suprised that you cite previous defective instalations unable to cope as a reason for not putting in a system that would work
Balconys are traditionaly a sorepoint when it rains even here in uk minimum fall and undersize drain because balconies are there for sunshine not rain i think no one really expects that the wind will blow rain inwards and flood it??
I am following your build so look forward to seeing the hidden drainage (copy shower room) that you will have

[fredlk]

I need to repeat that I am no expert and I am not a builder. You have a lot more hands-on experience than me and more than likely a lot more knowledge. I have my wishes and demands and the architect has converted that all into a workable whole. We've had many discussions about rainfall, guttering, window designs, roofing and I can't even remember what else. He's the expert and every time I had doubts or questions he came up with a solution that was satisfactory. Parts of the build are a compromise, but in all I am satisfied with what I think it will be. As far the construction of house number 2 where the hidden drainage will be implemented, you'll have to wait awhile because that part is only planned for late 2011 at the earliest. I will put some of the plan details online when I have them. They are due for completion this coming Wednesday.

[thaifly]

its a gidday to freddy..its the thai fly from mae rim..hey cobber ..there is no two ways about it..your project is a different kettle of fish..from the guttering side of it..to a normal average build.. sure glad that you are following your architects advice..after your discussions with him ..he will get you home.. its a m/u on top gidday to all..ITS THE THAI FLY FROM MAE RIM

[fredlk]

Thanks Thaifly for your words of encouragement.
We all know how complicated even the simplest construction can be and even though my project started out as something a little simpler, the (for me) attractive design that came into play started to dictate parts of the construction as well. The architect, the engineer and the builder all have lots of experience as well as satisfied customers and after I read most of what all you members have written, I think I know that it'll be alright in the end ..... fingers crossed.

[geordie]

Freik i did type out a long and wonderful reply about how the victorians drained their roofs through colums ect but as ever the computer ate it anyway your build as thaifly stated is different very modern and adventurous i wish you well with it and hope as you that you do not get too many headaches from it

[fredlk]

Freik i did type out a long and wonderful reply about how the victorians drained their roofs through colums ect but as ever the computer ate it anyway your build as thaifly stated is different very modern and adventurous i wish you well with it and hope as you that you do not get too many headaches from it

Thanks anyway for your efforts. (When I am writing larger pieces of text, I usually do it at first in a separate file, just in case.)
Without wanting to discount Victorian technology, it is after all what made Britain great, I am not so sure that everything can be directly translated into a modern Thai situation. As you yourself know, a lot of everything is or is done differently over here.
I personally wouldn't be happy with steel downpipes as my columns. First of all the noise and secondly the possibility that the rust might be taking hold unseen. I prefer the 'traditional' Thai building methods of reinforced concrete, more reinforced concrete and even more reinforced concrete.
As far as headaches during the build are concerned, I hope to have avoided that possibility by having a complete and detailed (and not-to-be-changed) specification and plan before starting. I am being as hands-off as possible and the Project Manager has control. We speak and meet often just to make sure that we are on the same page. So far so good.

[geordie]

actually the technology you are using is older the romans get credit for concrete and a gardener making pots for orange trees is credited with reinforcing i love working with it because its so versatile and you would be hard pushed to find a more adaptable building material

[fredlk]

Geordie, at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1698&start=15#p12061 you can see the engineering specifications for the hidden gutters that will be used on my house.
Rather beautiful, don't you agree?
Fred.

[geordie]

Fred i saw it when you posted it as you say you trust the architect not always a good thing but i do like the box gutters
i cannot find out how to quote from the previous page but if you want to glance at it you will find my comment there advising box gutters
By the way i deliberatly try and avoid any sort of controvesy on someones building story we had already agreed to disagree as it were which is why i did not make a comment but its good to see box gutters

[fredlk]

Fred i saw it when you posted it as you say you trust the architect not always a good thing but i do like the box gutters
i cannot find out how to quote from the previous page but if you want to glance at it you will find my comment there advising box gutters
By the way i deliberatly try and avoid any sort of controvesy on someones building story we had already agreed to disagree as it were which is why i did not make a comment but its good to see box gutters

You just press "quote" in the upper right hand corner.
If I can't trust my architect, who can I trust? And of course you have to go over the plans yourself to see and check every detail, but my architect has proven intelligent, innovative, accommodating, flexible, knowledgeable and extremely helpful. Surely I can't be wrong?

[geordie]

do you really want an argument fred he is human humans make mistakes if he were perfect why check his work
i can do a simple quote but the page would not expand to my previous comments on the first page when i SUGGESTED box gutters as an option i am pleased to see that your architect has drawn them in as i commented earlier all to often the gutter is an after thought

[jazzman]

I use the shop a lot that Jack has mentioned, but the complete range Windsor PVC gutters, soffit, windows, doors, and fencing is all available at HomeMarkt just opposite Global House on the top half of the eastern ring road. The have a permanent exhibition and sales centre in the shop, immediately on the right hand side inside the main entrance.

[Jack]

Have they gotten any more reasonable in their pricing? When I checked the prices there and the Windsor outlet on Phosi Road they were both 25% to 30% higher than the store I mentioned.

[jazzman]

I've no idea because due to its extremely high price wherever you buy it, I have never bought it and would not specially recommend it because of its high price to the vast majority of th posters on this board. It is after all five or six times more expensive than good galvanised guttering and downpipes that can easily be painted to blend in with the optics of the house. If installed corrrectly, only four (4) downpipes will be needed - one at each main corner of the hip roof. As a guideline, the gutters and pipse for my house cost a flat baht 10,000 baht and still look very good after over three years.

[Jack]

The Windsor PVC is somewhat more expensive but not quite that much. When I was gathering info trying to decide which guttering for my house I saw in this post that you had paid 200 baht/meter for the standard weight galvanized. That was around what I'd been quoted. And that you figured you would have to paint it sometime down the road. Which also agreed with what I saw about the galvanized they showed me. I was looking for something I didn't have to maintain but I didn't want to go 2 or 3 times as much for the installed PVC. So I was happy when I found a good product that wasn't too hard to install myself at 300 baht/meter. Besides, I like doing stuff myself... if it's not too much like actual work. .