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very slow build between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen

Postby Mike Judd » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:13 am

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Hi Khonkaen Builder, I am building very slowly on 4 rai of filled land (2000 truck loads) half way between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen. But it will probable cost about 3mil baht all up including land etc; As I don't like or want Air-conditioning I've gone for a single storey U shaped house with all the rooms having windows or doors on both sides for a good air flow, plus vented gables in the two wing ends of the foil/tiled roof. I'll probable put in a couple of fans to blast the hot air out that invariable builds up in roofs by the late afternoon. As I am using my partner's brother and brother in-law to do most of the work apart from some specialised work, I get good value for my money. I had them build a 9mt x6mt garage work shop with a bathroom for safe storage for materials, as a test run. This turned out perfect once I convinced every one that I did NOT want soup like concrete. The Smartruss roof has just been finished so it's ready for the Excella tiles which are expensive, but I consider the best. Then the walls using Heber blocks are next, which give you a bit more room for chasing in the electric and water pipes than your normal Thai blocks being only 50m.m. thick. The windows and sliding doors will be Lyn German design through Homemart ? As I have built a couple of houses and 2 factories for myself in OZ I think I have things covered, I have tried not to go too far away from Thai building methods, but apart from the common too much water in the concrete,and it's curing after placing, they don't seem to realise how important water traps are in all the drainage pipes to keep smells coming back into the bathrooms.
As I said it's a slow process with us only getting over for a month each year, hopefully we will visit a bit more often now when needed. Although labour is very cheap compared to western standards and worth extra rewarding for any honest good work, I do think that some materials are expensive by Thai standards of living, especially when compared to their wage rates. Siam Cement must be one of the most profitable companies in Thailand with a bag of cement costing more than half a days wages for the average Thai, no wonder they try to make do with 50m,m of concrete with no steel in it. :D :D Mike.
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:49 am

Looking forward to next week when I get over to Thailand again. As I keep clothes over there I usually just take building materials that don't seem to be available over there. Last time Foam expansion jointing which is bulky but light, and this time rolls of Damp proof courses. Still working on reducing photos etc, to send later. I use Apple and have to get info from my son in Japan first. Mike.
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:15 am

Hi All
This is the land after 1800 truckloads of fill, 4 years ago. So it should be well settled.
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1800 truckloads of fill!!!
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:30 am

Another photo of road crossing drainage.
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Tommy » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Looks pretty settled. congrats to you!
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:26 pm

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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Tommy » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:53 pm

Mike Judd wrote:/Users/mikejudd/Desktop/P1010655.jpg

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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Nawty » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:08 pm

1800 truckloads....by god thats a lotta dirt......how much did that cost in total ?

By the way...re Sydney Harbour and cruising.....do you know a chap named Greg Zammit ??
conwood is not real wood.....break it down 'con' to deceive...'wood'
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:54 am

There were 2,000 truck loads in total after a few more on the house site as the guy next door kept building his land up and concreting every where to shed the water away, which obviously ends up going across my land to end up in a big dam on the other side. The fill and levelling cost were B 320,000, nearly as much as the land cost originally 8 years ago. Just back from Thailand, no flooding up there but plenty of rain the first 2 weeks. It was great to have the roof all finished so that we could build all the Q-con block walls, which were nearly finished by the time we left on the 2nd Nov. Home Mart who supplied the roof tiles, had delivered 1,000 75m.m. thick blocks in leu of credit for the excess tiles that were returned. That was O.K. except they said 2 weeks to get the special tools and the glue for laying them. They had 2 sets of tools in their show room but wouldn't let me have one in-spite of me jumping up and down, so we drove to Marasarakhan where the Home Pro mob were a bit more helpful with tools and accessories . For any one using Q-Con or Super blocks, don't bother with the special saw which cost about 4 times what you can buy any wood saw for and they do the job O.K. But you need the trowel like scraper for levelling off the blocks some times. I needed 600 more blocks and wanted the 100m.m. thick ones for a lot of the walls , but again ,frustration with the local supplier, so got onto the Q-Con rep through Bangkok and he rang around until he got some for me. Great ! delivered next day, the only problem was although it had 100m.m. on the invoice, they had 75m.m. blocks on the truck. All the way back for them , to bring the correct ones the next day. T.I.T. ! Everything went well other wise, but "Thank God " for my Thai partner with all the Phone calls that had to be made.
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Re: very slow build between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen

Postby Mike Judd » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:17 am

Just an up date on my building near Kosumpisi. Apart from the land cost( 5 Rei ) and filling it with 2,000 loads plus a double block wall with Stainless Panels and sliding gate (B1,000,000 ) My total costs for a completed double garage with workshop and W/C etc, B 200,000 Then the house 154sq mts U shaped single storey with roof complete( Exella tiles) and all walls built (Q-Con blocks) ready for render and windows etc; B 800,000 So far because I am using mainly my partners Brother and Brother in-law the labour costs are working out at about 10% which is un-believable. I know labour costs are low in Thailand but I can see that when you employ a builder who has dozens of men on site , because half the time only a few are working, the costs can really add up. As I said ,it's a slow build with me over seeing each operation once or twice per year. We have an old house just down the road that wasn't worth fixing up due to the usual problems of cracking in the walls (foundations) damp climbing the walls with flaking paint (No damp course) But it gives us a base so there was no urgency, although I hope to have it finished by next year.
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Re: very slow build between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen

Postby mrbojangles » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:46 am

Any pictures Mike?
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Re: very slow build between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen

Postby Maseratimartin » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:40 am

Mike, just one question:
Why using the foil for the roof if you anyway use extensive ventilation?
I absolutly agree that a good ventilation is important, but anything what is named reflective...should be on top.
Add some thick "Stay Cool" isolation on top of the ceiling and believe me you will be fine.
...or put the reflective foil on before the gipsum boards...sure more effective like directly under the tiles.
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:33 pm

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I hope to have sending photos sorted out ,so here goes for another attempt .
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1/ slab before pour with foam expansion joints.
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2/ slab poured.
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3/ roof tiles going up.
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Dry Tec system with no cement joints in the ridges.5/ Ditto 6/
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Q-Con blocks on site 75m.m. thick. Used 100m.m. ones on the internal walls for extra strength and the pipe chasing. 7/
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most of the walls done.
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Re: very slow build between Kosumpisi and Khonkaen

Postby Mike Judd » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:20 am

I only get over once or if I'am lucky twice a year ,that's why it's a slow build. There is no way I would leave it to some builder to do the work when I have my own ideas on what I want . They are very innovative at times through lack of money, but leave a lot to be desired also with "She'll be right attitude" The roof was left to the suppler once I got it established what I wanted with him before leaving last Feb. My experience with foil in OZ taught me that it is very effective in keeping the heat out, but also for keeping the heat in that has built up in the house through the day. That's why I have two ventilated gables to let that hot air get out when the cooler evening air comes in through all the open windows and doors. If that doesn't work enough I will put a fan up in the roof to blast it out. Any one who has got up in their roof late in the day knows how hot it is with the natural build up of heat, liking sleeping under a hot blanket. At least in Thailand you only have one problem, heat, in OZ you have the cold in winter as well to cope with. Most houses built in Thailand now are relying on Air-Con to solve the problem with their basic economical square plan, that have dead end rooms off of a corridor. I don't like Air=Con that's why I have gone for the U shaped house with all rooms having flow through ventilation. I hope it works !
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Re: Building in Thailand over several years.

Postby Mike Judd » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:55 am

Back in OZ over a week now, progress back at the house is good from the report from partner's brother. They have the concrete beams to finish over the windows and doors , then 3 more courses of Q-Con blocks all round, another load of concrete beams round the top of all the walls. The special render goes on inside and out, with my next expenditure being all the Alloy windows and sliding doors.I was going to use Llynn windows, a German product, but they were working out at about B5,000 per sq mt installed, so I'am going for a local maker who is doing all the installing on the new Khon Kaen housing estates.He is around the B2,000 per sq mt installed. They look O.K. to me ,white powder coated. Once the Llynn mob got our number, she keeps ringing to say that they will now reduce the price each time she rings. Why can't they be " Fair Dinkum" with their prices instead of trying to make a "killing" ! because of being a Farange. I suppose I am lucky having just 2 workers doing most of the work other than the contracted work. I pay them B400 per day and they are at it all of the time, I can't see any point in having dozens of Thais there with most of them watching the others who are working.Can't wait to get back over, maybe after Xmas.
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