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Re: 21 July: House Plan version 4

Postby fredlk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:20 pm

Max&Bee-in-CM wrote:After discussion with builder dad yesterday, we decided to increase the garage size to 10 m by 8 m, and have a storage room inside of 2.5 m by 8 m. The new plan is attached.

Your garage will be larger than many Thai houses. :D
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garage size

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:22 pm

That's funny and true! But with 1 car (and another one soon), 2 motorbikes, 2 mountain bikes, a pram and baby bike,
a lawnmower and a bunch of accumulated junk, maybe the garage will be too small!
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Re: garage size

Postby BKKBILL » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:18 pm

Max&Bee-in-CM wrote:That's funny and true! But with 1 car (and another one soon), 2 motorbikes, 2 mountain bikes, a pram and baby bike,
a lawnmower and a bunch of accumulated junk, maybe the garage will be too small!


Isn't that the truth. 8)
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22 July: Site Status

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:00 pm

Still waiting for things to dry up, hopefully tomorrow the soil truck can get in.

The 2 workers on site have been working on the poles for the fence, and have
completed the front poles. Tomorrow they will set them in concrete.
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Rock and sand for setting the fence posts in concrete tomorrow
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The post holes full of water on the left side of the land
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The front right of the property
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July 27: Site Status

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:02 pm

Soil infill for the house has been completed, using a total of 70 trucks.
It took 1 day for all the trucks, at 350 baht per truck, and 1 day for the
macro to move it in between the ground beams.

10 trucks of red soil/rocks was put in front where the driveway will be,
this is very strong and permits access even after rain. Later there will
be concrete on top, so it provides a good base. Cost of this is 550 baht
per truck, inclusive of tractor for leveling.

All the front fence posts have been set in concrete. It took 1 cube of
concrete for about 25 posts.

Today we purchased all the metal for the roof for the house, at a cost of
~95,000 baht. The labor costs for all the metal work will come in at about
23,000 baht. Tomorrow we will meet a roof tile man, its a different person
from the roof metal man (still don't know why 1 person cannot do the whole
roof), he will give a quote for the labor to install the roof tiles.
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The whole house submerged by soil
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Soil infill in the house
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The red soil/rock mix for the driveway
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28 July: Site Status

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:25 pm

Today all the remaining metal for the roof was delivered, and the roof man painted it a nice
red oxide color. I believe tomorrow they will start cutting and installing.
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One of the form-molds collapsed


The concrete truck arrived with 2 cubes, just as a massive downpour began!! The 2 workers
braved it out, and poured concrete into the fence posts on the right side of the land, even though
everything was submerged, hopefully it will all set ok.
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When they started to put concrete into the form-molds for the front entrance beams, the form-molds
collapsed, due to so much rain softening the earth. I had to help them keep it in place and secure it
again.
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I also helped them with the concrete work today, as 2 workers are not enough for the job, but we
cannot get anyone else at the moment.
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Pouring concrete into the fence posts on the right side
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Helping with the concrete


The extra hole we dug at the back to increase the size of the bedroom got flooded completely in 20
minutes of rain, I could not believe it, it is about 1.5 metre wide by 2.5 metre deep, and it is completely
full of water. Builder dad will bring a pump Friday to suck the water out.

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Painting the roof metal red oxide to prevent rust
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Helping with the concrete


Please no more rain....
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby splitlid » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:44 pm

im pretty sure the ground wont rust, cant promise about the steel, but the ground is 100% covered. :D :D
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby BKKBILL » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:52 pm

splitlid wrote:im pretty sure the ground wont rust, cant promise about the steel, but the ground is 100% covered. :D :D


Nice work. Yes they must have used a very wide nozzle on the spray gun. :roll:

Max, my wife saw your pictures and was asking why the fence is so high.
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:24 pm

BKKBILL wrote:
Max, my wife saw your pictures and was asking why the fence is so high.


Hi, the fence posts are 3 m high, and they are sunk into the ground about 70cm, leaving
about 2.3 m posts. The bamboo partitions we ordered are 2.5 m high - reasons are basically
privacy and security - being surrounded by rice fields we thought its a good idea to make
it more secure, especially at night, don't want anyone jumping a small fence and looking
around the house at night or when we are not there. :mrgreen:
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby fredlk » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:49 pm

Max&Bee-in-CM wrote:Hi, the fence posts are 3 m high, and they are sunk into the ground about 70cm, leaving about 2.3 m posts. The bamboo partitions we ordered are 2.5 m high

What is the total length of your fence and how much do you expect it to cost?
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Fence costing

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:52 pm

fredlk wrote:What is the total length of your fence and how much do you expect it to cost?


The total length of the fence = 260 metres, the cost breakdown is approximately:

108 concrete posts 3m high: 160 baht x 108 = 17,280 baht
concrete to set the posts: 4 cubes = 1890 baht X 4 = 7,560 baht
100 bamboo partitions: 2.5 metre high x 2.5 metre wide: 300 baht X 100 = 30,000 baht
barbed wire: ~ 3,000 baht
double gate for car + 1 person gate (motorized + remote control): ~30,000 baht
front concrete posts and wall (10 metres) for the gates: ~10,000 baht
labor for above: 10 days for 2 people @ 300 baht / person / day = 6000 baht

Total cost is about 103,000 baht
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:20 am

Max,
I like the look of your land. I know Saint Fred will say the house is not square to the land, and the land is not square to the road, so I won't steal his thunder.
I had a look through all the photos in regard to your fence, the one that impressed me most is the one with the chair next to it. It appears you stood up, posed and smiled at the camera and then fell back into the chair, off camera of course. You will never finish the fence within budget: "labor for above: 10 days for 2 people @ 300 baht / person / day = 6000 baht", the problem is "labor". The only person who ever worked for the Australian Labor Party that didn't want less hours and more wages was Bob Hawke. Thai labour might be cheaper. Sorry Max I finally couldn't resist it.
But the build is looking good and going ahead in leaps and bounds. I hope it is all plain sailing.
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Re: Fence costing

Postby fredlk » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:50 am

Max&Bee-in-CM wrote:The total length of the fence = 260 metres, the cost breakdown is approximately:
...
Total cost is about 103,000 baht

Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I have no comments apart from the fact that the 2 cars in the plan might have a head-on collision outside your gate. :D

I like the idea of the bamboo and I would prefer to use it myself, but I don't like upkeep and I think you might have to spruce it up or replace parts or replace all after not too many years.
I want to keep (small) dogs in and snakes out and so I think that concrete is better for me.
Maybe after seeing your fence complete I might change my mind and do the bottom half concrete and the upper part bamboo.
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Re: Fence costing

Postby rucus7 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:28 am

. . . . "keep (small) dogs in and snakes out and so I think that concrete is better for me."


If the snakes are allowed to enter, the small dogs will no longer present a problem. The snakes are considerably higher on the food chain . . .ergo no concrete required.
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Re: Building our house in Chiang Mai

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:45 pm

Roger Ramjet wrote:Max,
I like the look of your land. I know Saint Fred will say the house is not square to the land, and the land is not square to the road, so I won't steal his thunder.
I had a look through all the photos in regard to your fence, the one that impressed me most is the one with the chair next to it. It appears you stood up, posed and smiled at the camera and then fell back into the chair, off camera of course. You will never finish the fence within budget: "labor for above: 10 days for 2 people @ 300 baht / person / day = 6000 baht", the problem is "labor". The only person who ever worked for the Australian Labor Party that didn't want less hours and more wages was Bob Hawke. Thai labour might be cheaper. Sorry Max I finally couldn't resist it.
But the build is looking good and going ahead in leaps and bounds. I hope it is all plain sailing.


That blue chair is one of the best 80 baht investments I have made, its used constantly!

True, fence labor I under quoted there, probably close to 15,000 or so, I forgot about the
Myanmar workers we hired to dig holes a few weeks ago.

Ye it took me ages to decide where to place the house + garage + observatory, and leave enough space for
lots and lots of fruit trees, I wanted the car to drive in before that big tree in the front, not after it, so
that sort of decided the placements.
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