Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:03 am

Yesterday the Makro finished for the time being; he'll be needed again when we do the walls. The busting of the concrete off the bore piles continues, more on that when I get my other camera back. My wife is going to ring the bore pile man to come and test the piles. More on that when he comes.
So, at a loose end yesterday I went searching for electrical "stuff". Now as people are aware I will have two boards, one for each floor. So that was my first priority yesterday. So I took my daughter with me for the ease of conversation. First stop, Homepro. It also turned out to be the last stop.
Below are the photos of what I have so far. All units have been tested by my builder's sparky and all work. Because I really don't care for asthetically pleasing stuff because we haven't even decided on the wallpaper yet, which will be different in every room; just practical stuff, an abundant supply, good quality and finally, can the Thai sparky wire the damned thing up properly this is what I ended up with.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:14 am

I'd like feedback on this. All the units I bought are made in Thailand. I've read good things about the Safe T cut board on another thread, but it was left up in the air. All the modular units in it can be replaced.
The switches are all made in Thailand by "Haco" and I have a complete catalogue thanks to a girl climbing to the top of the shelves. Individual costs were: The board 5,420 baht, the switches ranged from 130 baht to 350, but I haven't posted photos of everything I bought because it was a "buy and show the sparky trip to see if he could work with them", which apparently he can and liked. They also screw into steel surrounds, again no photos yet.
I'd like some comments from "sparkies" if we have any left, and I want comments from others about anything they know is wrong/right. No guesses please and if you have references please post them.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby pattayapope » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:24 am

Roger

The hardware looks OK, only problem with multigang switches is remembering which switch does what so you need to make sure mister sparky wires it in some logical patern. The distribution board is OK and looks like it is designed to be set in the wall so you don't see all the ugly conduits going into it as they are burried under the render. One very common problem with cabling done here is whe the get to the distribution box there is not enough space to get everything down the conduit. If you are going to have the distribution boards hidden away I recommend surface mounting and use steel trunking up thru the celing and take the conduits off from there. If you have any kind of electrical drawing you could post I could check if I see any obvious problems
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:35 pm

pattayapope,
All my switches should be single, maybe double for the top and bottom of the stairs or in places like the front door where it serves the lights for the entrance and the spotlights. I agree with what you said about being confusing, so I'll stay with the single, double and maybe just one or two triple, but I can't think where they'd go. I actually bought the whole lot because people have complained they couldn't get good quality multiple light switches in Thailand unless they went for the exotic brand from overseas. The cost was also another factor, I looked at the exotic brands which were two, three and four times more expensive, no better quality, and in some cases less.
The fact that my "sparky" liked them because they are easy to get at and even easier to wire also helped in the end. I actually bought a few more brands and types, but he liked these the most, so that was the clincher. The builder also liked them and if you do it the right way you don't need a screw driver to pry them apart as there's a lifting device that can only be gotten at once they are fully out of the other cover.
The board will be done as you suggested. One will be either in the garage or the pantry on the ground floor, the other will be at the top of the stairs. Haco also supply a heavy duty, high impact channel for just that sort of installation with mains boards which I will order. It only comes in the same colour as the switches, which is another reason I like the whole thing.....simple.
I take it nobody has expertise/experience with the Safe T cut boards so far. They were hidden as usual and it was like pulling teeth getting the 10 switch board. The girl started with the 4 switch, then the 6 switch (all hidden at the bottom of other cheap boards), then she claimed they were out of stock for the 10 switch, but after searching in locked cupboards found 4 of them. It was only after I bought them she suddenly became the helpful little electrician and started producing all the Haco stuff, otherwise it would have been the very expensive exotic brands or the el cheapo Chinese brands. I wonder why they hide good stuff?
I'm sorry, I have flexible electrical plans because of all the "added extras" like my spa and heater, booster pump, indoor swimming pool, outdoor very very small Japanese garden, waterfall, bridge, electric front gate etc etc and I just added 4 ceiling fans for the ground floor, hence the meetings everyday with my builder and his sparkie and his plumber. It's the way I wanted the plans drawn because it allows a certain amount of lassitude for me, the builder and his specialist crews.
When we get close to putting them in I will post them. Thank you for the assistance.
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I noticed somewhere else that people were saying you couldn't buy double on/off switches for power outlets in Thailand. Please note you can, and they are a reasonable price.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:23 am

Configuring.jpg
Talking to each other
To all,
Here you are Otis, the long awaited seismic test and how it it done with the latest technology. I won't give an explanation because a picture is worth a thousand words. The two parts are linked by bluetooth.
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Piles ready for tying in to the rebar
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Hitting the top of the piles a couple of times
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the sensor is moved about 5 times around the pile
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:35 pm

To all,
The last couple of days I've watched the Thai workers struggle with the hammer drills/guns trying to get through the concrete on the bore piles, so another stop work meeting was called and I asked if they thought they could handle a small jack hammer that would eat the concrete and make busting the concrete easier. Two hands went up and I told them I'd show them how it should be done the easy way. I also promised double rations of Red Bull, which I think is why the hands went up because I think the builder fibbed to them when he translated. Both have never been soldiers, because they wouldn't have volunteered at all, no matter the bribe.
Below are the photos.
I also bought 5 cubes of gravel 2,000 baht, 5 cubes of sand 1,500 baht, delivery is free. 24 bags of Portland foundation cement were also purchased, I forget the number on the bag; total cost 2,400 baht. Just so people can keep abreast of current prices in and around Bangkok.
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Mini jack hammer only weighs about 30 lbs all up
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun May 01, 2011 8:17 am

To all,
Progress has picked up since we got the mini jack hammer, also the consumption of Red Bull. Because today (Sunday) is Labour Day we have returned the compressor and jack hammer, but will get it again tomorrow to do the final piles. Prepping for the foundations has begun with some of the busted concrete first, then gravel, then sand, and finally a small amount of concrete.
I'm having a small problem with convincing the workers to use some of the equipment (concrete mixer, wheel barrows etc) so yesterday I gave a demo of both. Unfortunately I don't think it will worked because I have two ladies, who are carrying the sand, gravel and cement by hand in buckets, even though I said, and demonstrated, it's easier by wheel barrow. So it looks like I'll be the wheel barrow pusher, until the men have finished with the bore piles. The main problem is the mounds of earth between the holes, the barrow is a mongrel to navigate with.
I'm still thinking about whether to do the foundations using the 1 cube (Big Bertha) cement mixer or get the cement truck in: Probably the latter, we'll see.
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Prepping some of the larger ones
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Prepping for the foundations
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One of the three major foundations
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Jury rigged sunshade
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Back steps and main house piles
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby otis-a » Sun May 01, 2011 11:32 am

so hammer=dnergy source and result is pile 20m deep?
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun May 01, 2011 12:35 pm

Otis,
Basically yes, the first reading is for depth, the next four or five taps are for strength/rigidity/thickness/bonding. We don't get the master readout for a week because that has to be done by a computer when the data is uploaded from the iPAQ. You really would think that they would do that using a mobile phone, then do a printout on the spot, just like with water and electric meters, but it would appear it's a bit more complex than that. Maybe next year the way technology is going.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Max&Bee-in-CM » Sun May 01, 2011 1:02 pm

Sunpax wrote:Never see that before ! in any shop...i will ask tomorow when i go buy the rebar ...thanck's


I am a regular at a few steel shops around here, have not seen them also pre-made ~ could it perhaps be regional/local to do with demand, labour supply? But will ask around once we return to the project. If I could get all the beams pre-made, that would be even better.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby MGV12 » Sun May 01, 2011 1:42 pm

Max&Bee-in-CM wrote:
Sunpax wrote:Never see that before ! in any shop...i will ask tomorow when i go buy the rebar ...thanck's


I am a regular at a few steel shops around here, have not seen them also pre-made ~ could it perhaps be regional/local to do with demand, labour supply? But will ask around once we return to the project. If I could get all the beams pre-made, that would be even better.


They exist here Max but maybe you have to ask for them [name?] I was in a local medium-sized materials shop on Friday
and a guy was loading two different sizes onto his pickup.

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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun May 01, 2011 3:57 pm

I wonder what happened there, perhaps a moderator could move the above three posts to the correct build?
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby fredlk » Sun May 01, 2011 4:03 pm

Roger Ramjet wrote:I wonder what happened there, perhaps a moderator could move the above three posts to the correct build?

See http://www.coolthaihouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1864&start=285#p25196
and http://www.coolthaihouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1864&start=285#p25199
on the previous page for where the discussion started.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun May 01, 2011 4:13 pm

Okay, thanks Fred, I apologise my mistake.........that was days ago, my build must be on target, that's all I can say. Must be the test drive I had in the Mitsubishi Lancer EX GT Rallyart that affected my brain......and my wife gave the nod to buying it too.
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Re: Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue May 03, 2011 6:56 am

The photo is just to let people know there is person at the other end of this build, complete with a view to the east over the rice paddies. Please note the ponytail MGV12: I do in fact need a haircut badly.
Yesterday the workers had the day off, but most were there pottering and cleaning around the piles. The last tops of the piles will be knocked off today and then we do the foundations, which will probably take at least two weeks ++.
The workers have busted a lot of the concrete off the left-over tops and the rebar will be used for "double M" chairs under the trench mesh on the first floor. There's a few tops that are rather large, so they stay in the foundation holes and will be filled over with dirt. They have to weigh close on 80 - 100 kilos and take two men to lift them out, then they just roll into the next hole most of the time, so they stay where they are, out of the way.
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