Cost effective alternative to tinted glass?

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Cost effective alternative to tinted glass?

Postby hkexpat » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:57 am

Does anybody have any experience in using 3m window films. I note that they can be installed post construction and claim both safety and solar benefits. If true, 3m window film could well be a cost effective alternative to expensive tinted glass safety glass.

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Postby jazzman » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:32 pm

As part of the doors/windows BOQ when building a new house in Thailand, if you are going for aluminium frames (and I'm sure you are), the extra cost of tinted UV glass (5 or 6mm, usually smoke grey to almost black or various shades/densities of green) is so small that no one should really want to save on it. You will notice that even the poorer Thais use it in their wooden houses. Practically every larger village has a small workshop which will manufacture your doors and windows to your sizes and specification. It pays to shop around - I got two quotes for the same list: In Ban Phue, the guy wanted 96,000 baht for everything including installation and in Suwannakuha (my own village, only 17 km away), a guy only wanted 72,000. The big DIY stores like Global Home, Home Mart and Home Pro fell somewhere between the two, but generally they won't do custom sizes and they don't throw in the installation.

There is a significant price difference between making the the frames with the thin bronze colored aluminium sheeting (like all the Thai shophouse fronts) and 1.5mm extruded aluminium profile. The latter, which my prices were based on, works out about 20% more expensive for the frames, and they are white, anti-scratch epoxy coated rather than anodised, and the sliding windows, doors, and self-closing swing doors have a nice solid feel to them.
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Postby hkexpat » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:17 am

Jazzman,

Interesting...

I most certainly am going to use aluminium, although I'd prefer good quality teak, however I don't want the hassle of ongoing maintenance, also some of the carpentry work I've seen leaves a lot to be desired.

I am specifying a bronze frame and brown tint 5mm glass for safety. Any idea what the ball park coat will be?

Here is what I came up with:

I have 93sqm of glass and my estimates vary between 500,000 to 1 million baht, depending on the glass spec. Reasonable?

The company being recommended to me is Thai-aust.

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Postby jazzman » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:58 am

The best thing to do Expat is to do what I did: measure your window frames, decide whether you want hinged or sliding casements and with or without fly-screens; measure your doors remembering that with this kind of construction, swing doors cost a lot more than sliding because of the expensive gas-filled two-way closer. Then take it all to your local specialist (he will probably have a nondescript shop house in a backstreet) and ask him to give you an estimate. Then send your wife or a Thai friend for the same estimate.
This was the list:
Doors Global BanPhu Suwan (white)
1.5mm extruded alu. epoxy coated, white. Light green 5mm UV glass..

Rear sliding 160x200 16,000 8,000 6,000
Front sliding 300x200 20,000 16,000 14,000
Bed 1 swing 80x200 7,800 8,000 7,500
Bed 2 swing 80x200 7,800 8,000 7,500
Office swing 80x200 7,800 8,000 7,500

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Bed 1 Sliding 150x120 4,200 5,000 4,200
Bed 2 Sliding 150x120 4,200 5,000 4,200
Office Sliding 150x120 4,200 5,000 4,200
Bed 1 Fixed 150x120 2,400 4,000 3,200
Bed 1 Fixed 150x120 2,400 4,000 3,200
Office Fixed 150x120 2,400 4,000 3,200
Office Fixed 150x120 2,400 4,000 3,200


You are obviously building something very grand if your budget for the glass alone is 1 mio baht. My whole house - and it's a nice one - cost around 600,000 incl. labour. Wow, am I envious...
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Postby jazzman » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:03 pm

something went wrong with the tabs when I posted the above prices. There are three quotes for each item: from Global Home, from a workshop in Ban Phu village, and from a workshop in Suwannakuha, my village. All doors and windows are in white, epoxy coated 1.5mm extruded aluminium. The 'fixed' windows are non-opening. The other windows are sliding (both panes) with sliding fly screens. Prices from the workshops includes installation.
After much deliberation and changing my mind a couple of times, i have now decided to give the whole order to the guy in my own village.
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Postby teletiger » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:51 pm

Up to 1 million? :shock: :shock: I had 55 mt2 bronze aluminium + blue tinted glass....108,000 Baht, including fly screens. local guy. Average quality.
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Postby jazzman » Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:35 am

Which, if you calculate back from my door/window list above and what it is costing me (roughly 2,000 baht / sq.m), is bang on. Well done Teletiger!

My prices all date from November 2006, and come from people who are not clever enough to even think of overcharging farangs. There are large differences in the way they calculate their prices, which defy all logic, so as they were not giving discounts for job lots, I ordered the elements separately from each one who offered the lowest price for each item. For quality control - because some people can bend, cut and shape metal more neatly than others - it is a good idea ask to see some stuff he has already made, he will be only too pleased to take you and show you a house where he did the installation. Thais are always proud of their work, however bad it it is :wink:
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Postby boopinkbutterfly » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:21 pm

As I was reading your post I've learned a lot of information about having a window in Thailand. I will be having one house there one of this days. Thanks for the price list and how to have its measurement. Thanks a lot=)
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Re: thanks

Postby thaifly » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:58 am

boopinkbutterfly wrote:As I was reading your post I've learned a lot of information about having a window in Thailand. I will be having one house there one of this days. Thanks for the price list and how to have its measurement. Thanks a lot=) gidday boopink....its the thaifly from mae rim....tell u something about THE GREAT JAZZMANS posts on the prices of windows etc...i used his quotes as a yardstick when we was getting our prices and got under his quote at the supplier we ended using .......not only did we get a great price..but a first class job as well.....if any one in c/mai are going down the sametrack i will be only to happy to give the details of our supplier so u can throw it in the mix with the rest u may choose....ITS BLOODY HOT GIDDAY TO ALL ITS THE THAIFLY FROM MAE RIM
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Postby jazzman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:33 pm

Well done Thaifly - keep up the good work. Also the cost of polished Granito style floor tiles has dropped by half since I built my house.
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Postby thaifly » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:07 pm

jazzman wrote:Well done Thaifly - keep up the good work. Also the cost of polished Granito style floor tiles has dropped by half since I built my house.
gidday to THE GREAT JAZZMAN.... its the thai fly from mae rim......nice to see something drop in half... ONLY WISHED THAT A GOOD BOTTLE OF RED WOULD DO THE SAME.... i am sure u would agree.. ITS A BLINDER OF A GIDDAY TO ALL ITS THE THAIFLY FROM MAE RIM
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Postby jazzman » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:37 pm

The reason was, that because the genuine Granito brand was the only one up until about a year or so ago, when the fashion caught on others started copying it and selling it cheaper. I have no way of judging the quqlity though.
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Postby thaifly » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:34 pm

jazzman wrote:The reason was, that because the genuine Granito brand was the only one up until about a year or so ago, when the fashion caught on others started copying it and selling it cheaper. I have no way of judging the quqlity though.
GIDDAY TO THE GREAT JAZZMAN...its the thaifly from mae rim....its truly amazing how they tumble in so quickly here when some one is making a good quid on a good product etc...overnite it is one in and then all in....but as u have pointed out the price has halved so that is good for the consumer...but as u quite rightly say ....IS IT THE REAL MC COY... its a GLASS OF RED GIDDAY TO ALL . ITS THE THAI FLY FROM MAE RIM
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