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Re: The Spratly Islands

Postby Roger Ramjet » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:19 pm

The US of course are not bound by lack of or loss of face, so this is what the US Navy reply was to the Chinese "diplomats". http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.ph ... ypecate=06
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby MGV12 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:08 pm

Anyone wish to lay odds against the Chinese controlling this ... whatever the detriment to the local people and environment?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_Canal

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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby MGV12 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:33 pm

China's ongoing dispute with Taiwan could be the biggest flashpoint in the contest over who controls the islands:

Taiwan to spend US$100m on work at disputed Spratlys

Taiwan plans to spend more than US$100 million to build a dock big enough for warships in the disputed Spratly islands, a legislator said Thursday, as other claimants strengthen their regional military presence.

http://www.scmp.com/topics/spratly-islands

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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby BKKBILL » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:50 pm

And the plot thickens.

Japan's far-flung island defence plan seeks to turn tables on China

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan ... 7220151218
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:37 pm

And so China pushes and pushes and breaks another hollow promise that none of its ships are armed and that there are no armaments on the islands.....Will Japan finally snap and push back?

A Chinese coast guard ship which appeared to be armed with several cannon has entered what Tokyo regards as its territorial waters near disputed islands, the Japan Coast Guard says.

Japan and China routinely butt heads over ownership of the uninhabited East China Sea islets, as Chinese ships — mostly coast guard vessels — and aircraft have sometimes approached them to back up Beijing's claims and test Japan's response.

It was however the first time an apparently armed Chinese coast guard vessel had "entered the territorial waters near the Senkaku Islands", the Japan Coast Guard said.

Japan administers the uninhabited islands under that name but China also claims them and calls them the Diaoyus.

On Tuesday Japan said it had spotted the armed Chinese coast guard ship for the first time in the contiguous waters near the islands.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-26/a ... es/7055082
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby MGV12 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:51 pm

In related news:

China 'has deployed missiles in South China Sea' - Taiwan

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-35592988

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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:26 am

If it happened then I bet the US 5th and 7th fleet would be sitting within a cooees length of the Aussie war ships and the Chinese would have no islands left.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-19/o ... ds/7184198
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:20 pm

And now Australia must which war ship she has, with all its crew, might be expendable before the Chinese put in surface to sea missiles that are capable of circumventing the 6 on board phalanx security systems of say a Frigate, the largest ship we have. The phalanx is the only system capable of taking out an exocet type missile because the French might have had a lapse of concentration and sold the Chinese some, just like they did with Argentina during the Fawklands War.

South China Sea: Militarisation of disputed island 'a serious concern', John Kerry says

The US Defence Department has confirmed that China has deployed a surface-to-air missile system on a disputed island in the South China Sea, in a move Secretary of State John Kerry has described as a "serious concern".

Key points:

South China Sea islands part of disputed territory
US, Australia concerned about new missiles deployed on Woody Island by China
China dismisses reports as 'hype', says it has right to defend itself
Images from civilian satellite company ImageSat International showed two batteries of eight surface-to-air missile launchers as well as a radar system on Woody Island, according to US outlet Fox News.

The Pentagon urged all countries that have staked claims to disputed areas in the region to address their territorial and maritime claims in accordance with international law, and to commit to peacefully manage or resolve their disputes.

The Taiwanese defence ministry confirmed that China had installed surface-to-air missiles on a disputed island, although China said its self-defence facilities had existed for many years and latest media reports were "hype".

"But there is every evidence, every day that there has been an increase of militarisation of one kind or another — it's of serious concern," Mr Kerry said.

Mr Kerry said the US would raise its concerns with China to ensure the disputed claims in the South China Sea were resolved peacefully.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-18/s ... ys/7179054
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon May 09, 2016 9:13 am

China's secret maritime militia: Fishermen the forward guard in South China Sea dispute
The Chinese are set to consolidate their control over the South China Sea with their final and most controversial round of island building right up against the Philippines.

China paying fishermen to build guerilla force in South China Sea
Hainan island fishermen build on, and occupy, the disputed islands
Many are ancestors of fishermen who helped establish the People's Republic
To do the job they will be relying on their maritime militia, a well-funded force drawn from China's vast fishing fleet.

The fishermen of Hainan Island are the forward guards in China's battle to take all of the South China Sea.

Operating as a guerrilla force and under civilian cover, they occupy and help build disputed islands.

Most of the fishermen refused to speak to the ABC but one captain did, as long we concealed his identity.
More at: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-09/c ... na/7391216
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Tue May 10, 2016 10:07 pm

US warship sails by South China Sea reef, irking Beijing
BEIJING - The US on Tuesday sailed a warship close to a disputed South China Sea reef Beijing has built up into an artificial island, reports and officials said, prompting China to express "dissatisfaction and opposition".

Guided-missile destroyer USS William P. Lawrence navigated within 12 nautical miles of the Fiery Cross Reef, occupied by China and also claimed by Vietnam and the Philippines, the Wall Street Journal reported.

It is Washington’s third "freedom of navigation" operation in the disputed waters launched in recent months after China built several artificial islands as it asserts claims to nearly all the sea.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang confirmed the operation on Tuesday, saying the warship "illegally entered waters near the relevant reefs of China’s Nansha islands without the permission of the Chinese government".

Nansha is China’s name for the Spratly Islands, where Fiery Cross Reef lies.

From the Chinese mouthpiece The Nation; http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakin ... 85647.html
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sat May 14, 2016 12:15 pm

US warns of China's use of contested islands
TOKYO — China has increased the amount of land it has reclaimed in contested areas of the South China Sea more than six-fold in the past year and the facilities it has built will allow it to "significantly" boost its presence there, the US Defense Department said Friday.

The surface covered by Chinese reclamation in the disputed Spratly Islands topped 3,200 acres, or nearly 13 square kilometres, as of late 2015, the Pentagon said in its annual report on China to Congress. The figure is up more than six-fold from "about 500 acres" in last year's report.

The Chinese outposts "include harbours, communications and surveillance systems, logistics facilities and three airfields," it said. While it did not specify the locations of the three airfields, China has built such facilities on artificial islands it has created in the Fiery Cross, Subi and Mischief reefs in the Spratlys.
More at: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/9 ... ed-islands
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby MGV12 » Sun May 15, 2016 5:46 pm

Falling standards from the BBC everywhere these days .... if it never was land in the first place you can't reclaim it!

China deploys folk singer to disputed Spratly Islands

Her career has taken her round the world but popular Chinese folk singer Song Zuying's latest tour has taken her to new destinations - very new.
The military chanteuse entertained workers on Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratlys in the South China Sea.
It is the first stop in a tour of the disputed territory, where China has been reclaiming land and building military facilities on reefs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36203496

Not at all easy to misunderstand in English ... maybe lost in translation :roll: :

noun
1. any part of the earth's surface not covered by a body of water; the part of the earth's surface occupied by continents and islands:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/land

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands

Maybe their tenuous argument is based on an opinion that ... at sometime in the history of the planet ... that area might have been above the waterline.

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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun May 15, 2016 6:25 pm

Unless China pulls its head in, this could escalate into a real pissing competition. The UN need to step in now and enforce China to abide by the UN's rulings and ICJ rulings otherwise it will be more than a Chinese fishing vessel being rammed and sunk.
I notice that during the Vietnam war China never said boo to the US Navy running her aircraft carriers, destroyers and battleships around the disputed reefs and they made sure none of their aircraft flew too close to the carriers out there, and after reading an economic report on Russia and their military you can guarantee that China will be on her own if she starts something.
The Queen summed it up pretty well, "the Chinese are very rude".
China can postulate and preen all she likes, but she doesn't have the right, nor technology and military to do anything else but thump her chest. I think it's time the US moved one of its major pieces into the chess game, like a Ford class carrier: http://www.military-today.com/navy/top_ ... rriers.htm
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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby MGV12 » Mon May 23, 2016 1:48 pm

Not in any way a coincidence:

Vietnam Arms Embargo to Be Fully Lifted, Obama Says in Hanoi

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/world ... f=cta&_r=0

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Re: The Spratly Islands and other Chinese infiltrations

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon May 23, 2016 5:42 pm

MGV12 wrote:Not in any way a coincidence:

Nor is it in any way a coincidence that Taiwan elected a new leader opposed to China and the one China policy. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/22/china-pr ... china.html
Taiwan is far more advanced in electronics than China which was the reason China encouraged trade with them, but the US warned Taiwan that electronics secrets given to China would mean the end of the support of the US with military hardware, like the Aegis cruisers and missile ships. It looks like the US just raised the stakes in the South China Sea games.
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