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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:21 pm

Fred,
Why don't we try it from a dictionary instead of one man's ideology? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby unclezillion » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:48 pm

ill take Billy over Kevin Bloody Wilson any day!

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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby unclezillion » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:23 pm

fredlk wrote:
unclezillion wrote:how being a supporter of the elites/Amart is not fascist!

From "Fascism for dummies" (part 2):
Today’s definition of fascism comes from Kevin Passmore and his book “Fascism: A Very Short Introduction” published by Oxford University Press.
“Fascism is a set of ideologies and practices that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty, and to create a mobilized national community.”


ok ill bite! it is not strictly fascism as seen in the thirties in Europe: the only real fascists followed Mussolini but the point is not to give a lecture on political philosophy
but to use words that are easily understood.

So what are your politics?
I came out as an American liberal :oops:
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby fredlk » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:45 pm

unclezillion wrote:So what are your politics?

One should never discuss politics (or religion) with strangers, but I will say that I can recognise a crook when I see one.
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby unclezillion » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:56 pm

fredlk wrote:
unclezillion wrote:So what are your politics?

One should never discuss politics (or religion) with strangers, but I will say that I can recognise a crook when I see one.


lol i suppose you got that from The Nation or Bangkok post?
as i said to another poster before not a clue about where u live!
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby fredlk » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:04 pm

uncle zillion wrote:i suppose you got that from The Nation or Bangkok post?

Never suppose, presume or assume.
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby tomquic » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:06 pm

" One should never discuss politics (or religion) with strangers, but I will say that I can recognise a crook when I see one" -- not sure what that is about ??? A famous quote? - but can't seem to find it ... general P or Mr A ????

But would no doubt be aimed as some smart a*se comment about Mr T ...

Think farangs should stay the $%%^ out of thai politics .... your opinion is not appreciated by them ... they will vote as they want to ... and have done ... sad so many try to interfere.
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby fredlk » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:21 pm

tomquic wrote:they will vote as they want to ... and have done ... sad so many try to interfere.

Indeed.
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby unclezillion » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:00 pm

That my be the truth about Thai voters but it is changing!
Nobody says which way anyone should vote if they could but everyone should understand
where they live!
The constant Thaksin bashing is pure unadulterated propaganda on the part of those who do not wish
to lose influence namely the elites, Amarts and military! There is no doubt that Thaksin was made of typical Thai political stuff and was a bit of a meglomaniac, however, his problem was that he was too successful and because of that he was and is dangerous to the power brokers etc. Traditionally deposed PM's were allowed to retire to Japan or elsewhere and left alone in retirement because they did not really change the status quo: Thaksin did!
They somehow think that they can put the genie back in the bottle after it has escaped! this will not happen and i suspect there will be a bloody showdown
once Elvis has gone!
Do you recognise as crooks all those in the above mentioned groups who have most to gain from squashing anything Thaksin ever stood for?
Look at the last government who were so anti Thaksin it was pathetic! His government ordered the same lottery machines as used in the UK and USA but the government said they were to easy to cheat!!!!! What they really meant was "we can't cheat" them!
Thaksin also wanted to change the education system to be more modern and this met with huge opposition: we cant have our children learning to think for themselves!
Not everything Thaksin did was bad and visa versa. At the time I taught at an elite school here. The ministry of Education's mantra was critical thinking! I taught what is and how do you think critically to 18 year olds just before going to university. I was hauled into the office and told i was being dangerous!

I just fail to see why foreigners come here and park their brains at the airport! Be it with bar girls, politics or whatever.

Dont forget Thailand is the south and Bangkok with the North and North East being considered the poorer cousins who are there to be exploited! My ex was from an elite southern family with direct connections to the palace and her group always called the people of the North Cambodians who do black magic lol
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby otis-a » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:02 pm

my top 3 reasons i will never support phew 'stinky' thai movement
1. Wittnessed gun running to bkk to support the ''peacefull' riots n bkk
2. Taking over a district by brownshirts and forceful denial of others right to make a living- by the so called ''peaceful'' demon-strators
3. Mob run wild to trash and loot and burn gov't facilities- sure sign of loosers- if i can't have your house i'll huff n puff n blow ur house up
***
ps if u think thai is so f'd up go live in chicom, myanmar, laos, ven-zulu land, belorus, Q'baaa, or any other host of far more miserable socialist para-dicey heavens.
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If u dont like what i said -stuff it
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby tomquic » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:17 pm

Otis-a

Suggest you seek some serious medical help mate -- to get that large chip removed from yr shoulder....

We all love thailand .... (well I think so ) ... just some of the weird ideas that some farangs have here about what is right and wrong ...

As I said in an earlier post .. some people have not lived here long enough or learned enough of the history of this country ... to really understand how it works .. whilst others who have lived here a relatively short period of time understand completely ... suggest you do a bit of reading ...

AND -- no-one is asking you to support anyone ... its not our country ... but bad things are done by all sides ... so maybe think about that a little too ...

ps - If you want to witness gun running suggest you go down 'south' .... thats a large part of the problem down there ... and not too many 'reds' down there mate !
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby otis-a » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:36 pm

mr quick keybored,
no chip here 'mate' just giving u my clear reasons why i will never support a brownshirt ganster organized outfit.
Ps for rr
were it my signature for the mark on general x- I would have signed the mark when the 1st guns came out on orders of a deluded gun toting x general who mis-took over a peaceful demonistration for armed riots. No objections to PEACE-FULL protest that respect others right to make a living- big time objection to brownshirt thugs
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:48 pm

unclezillion,
You might mention why the poor people actually love Thaksin. The only thing the Thai people ever got besides grief from successive governments was grief, until Thaksin introduced the 30 baht medical scheme. It took the burden of dying a slow and painful death out of their hands and placed it squarely where it should lay, at the governments feet.
It didn't worry the elite until they realised they had actually lost something; a hold over the people and by then it was too late.
otis,
If you witnessed gunrunning in Bangkok, how on earth did you know they were meant for the red shirts? I suppose they carried placards saying so? That's as good as the press releases that said the army had photos of the red shirts firing M79's, when in actual fact they were really flare guns. You are making statements Otis that just aren't true. Go and ask any Defence Attache at the so-called briefings. Half of them fell asleep from boredom and the others couldn't stop laughing at the blatant propaganda. Where is your evidence? That really is not a good statement to make.
The yellow shirts took over two airports, did the army shoot them?
Come on, you talk about double standards but actually support them yourself in your argument.
And if ever there was a mob running wild it was the yellow shirts security racing to Don Muang airport and shooting at the people at the side of the road. The papers were full of photos and also there are dozens of clips on youtube.
We are talking about double standards, yet you just said you condone that.
I have no idea what you are talking about either otis when you refer "where is my signature". And please lay off the military stuff, you've made too many mistakes there already.

There is no change in the height of flood waters at my half completed house and the flood water along highway 345 is still over neck deep.
The health department has just revealed that there is rampant disease in flood effected areas with a large number of deaths, that was previously recorded under another category (no idea what, but will find out).
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby tomquic » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:09 pm

Otis-a,

Please re-read my post .... no-one is asking you to support anyone ... its just you seem so intent on only seeing the bad on one side ...

I guess using sniper rifles and shooting unarmed civvies in Temples is something you support then ??? 'cos thats what also happened ... you don't seem to have mentioned that ???

Just open your eyes a bit and see that the world is not Black and White always ... and that there is good and bad on all sides to a degree...

RR - I also know why the 'people' love Thaksin .... and have good reasons to IMHO ... but thats only my opinion .. 'the genie is out of the bottle' as unclezillion said earlier .. and there's no way its ever going back in .. these guys should be smart enough to recognise that and cut a deal... but sadly many yearn for the "good old days" - which aren't coming back ... the country will no doubt grow into a fairer more equal place over the next decade much to some peoples disgust ,,,

Worrying news about the diseases but hardly surprising ... I feel embarrassed as a BKK'ian living in a dry suburb at the expense of so many other people be they rich or poor... lets just get the water out asap and get on with repairing the country...
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Re: Flood Related from Building in Nontharburi/Pak Kret

Postby unclezillion » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:06 am

Our household do not want to be flooded but decided we would accept it if it meant everyone else would see less water for a shorter time.

People really should learn the history of Thailand to see why the rural poor from the north rebelled!
They really should ask why the military has been able to stage 17 coups, kill with impunity over the years as yet there has never
been a single military officer held to account in Thailand!
Have we actually seen anyone held to account yet over the airport occupations?
Even more telling is why we can't discuss certain things that are central to how this country is run!

<This topic on floods has become mud-slinging and insulting and will now be closed.>
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