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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby BKKBILL » Fri May 09, 2014 8:42 pm

Right on RR that should help you feel a little better. :mrgreen:
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Mike Judd » Fri May 09, 2014 9:05 pm

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Reminds me of the thinking of my first two wives :(

MGV 12 I'll have to change my opinion about you, I thought you were smarter than that,? Unless one got run over by a Bus why would you keep trying, I grant you everyone should try it once ,or are you just Optimistic.? No offence though.!
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby MGV12 » Sat May 10, 2014 8:17 am

Mike Judd wrote:
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Reminds me of the thinking of my first two wives :(

MGV 12 I'll have to change my opinion about you, I thought you were smarter than that,? Unless one got run over by a Bus why would you keep trying, I grant you everyone should try it once ,or are you just Optimistic.? No offence though.!


Unfortunately it was my 'other brain' that made both of those decisions :lol: :) :( :cry:

Never a bus around when you need one ... or two :roll:

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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Mike Judd » Sat May 10, 2014 7:58 pm

Oh the power of the "Pussy" will us Men ever learn.?
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby BKKBILL » Sat May 10, 2014 9:05 pm

Mike Judd wrote:Oh the power of the "Pussy" will us Men ever learn.?


Hopefully not.
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:43 am

Just a bit of an update. I have been seeing a spinal surgeon/pain specialist for the last few weeks at Bumrungrad, her name is Dr. Nuj that I pronnounce Nudge and my daughter and wife are aghast. She's aware of all the failings of the system and is to be quite honest, terribly nice and forthright, so much so she got me back into that damned MRI machine, back into X-Ray and then showed me the problems with my back. To be honest their old injuries that just flared up during the previous operation. It shouldn't have happened but she said she's pleased it did because if it hadn't I might be in a wheelchair soon. Four pinched nerves and two very old and decripit disks and vertibrae in the lumbar sacral region (base of the spine).
Today she operated on me and told me point blank that there was little she could do other than she already has this afternoon. She even put in the minicamera in two places and took photos as well as the new super duper X-Ray machine that looks like two flying saucers, one under the table and one over, spitting out real live photos at the touch of a button. The machine is used to check the position of the needles she used to inject the cortisone into and around the nerves. And she warned me of three days of pure hell, which is why I'm typing this at 0100hrs in the morning.
But I did find out why Bumrungrad Hospital's costs are so high, from the time they wheeled me out of the prep room all I saw were old defunct medical machines lining both sides of hallway. Big stuff like MRI's, X-Ray machines and all sorts of other stuff I have no idea about. And the operating theatres are the same, piled high with old obsolete medical equipment. It must cost them billions a year for those machines and I'm going to ask my friend Dr. Peter Morely why they don't have a donation program to the public hospitals up country which, I am sure, are in desparate need of most of the stuff. Its all been paid for, so why hang onto it when I could be better used elsewhere. I have a sinking feeling I know the answer already, they don't want to give it away, they want to sell it. But I'm going to find out.
So now I have a permanent appointment with Dr. Nuj every 14 days to be reissued with medication if the cortisone doesn't do the trick and settle the back down, which she said it might not do because of the damage already done. I also have an appointment with the physio terrorist prior to that appointment so I know I will be on the same medication for a long long time.
And of course all the nurses were in a tizz after the op when I wanted to get-up and go for a smoke, but luckily Dr. Nuj who was there said if my blood pressure was normal she couldn't see why I couldn't slip away while they did the notes and made-up the bill. And it was spot on, so being a stubbourn bastard I refused the wheelchair, the arms of my wife and daughter and went out and had a smoke in their bullshit No Smoking zone. And to the horror of the nurses who have been brainwashed over the years my blood pressure was the same when I arrived back with a big grin all over my face..... after that they ignored me.
Anyway, I'm more than happy with what was done, even more happy with the way it was done and exstatic that it was explained in detail without all the usual drama and bullshit. I was even allowed to have a cup of coffee two hours before the operation and a feed three hours before, which helped my normally very bad/rotten disposition and the reason my blood pressure was normal.....well, that and the fact I'm not allowed to have salt on my fish and chips, which I think is criminal.... and trust me bananas do not nulify the salt, but the tablets I have called Normatec certainly do.
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Mike Judd » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:13 am

R.R. Well you are certainly in a bad way one way or the other, but still have a sense of humour. ? "Don't let the bastards wear you own " ! Bad backs are something we all seem to get, it is supposed to be because we are the only animal (on two legs ) that lift and carry loads. As you can imagine after a life time of physical work I have had my share of bad backs , carrying 2x 56 lb counterweights up from the top floor onto roofs all the time didn't help. I spent 6months rolling out of bed onto the floor on my hands and knees first before standing up, then all sorts of treatments /acupuncture etc; before I was half right again. The pain would come back frequently, usually if I spent too much time in a bent over position.( At a bench working or digging in the garden.) So I bought myself a Upside down machine, My own theory(Which you are quite welcome to disprove) is the discs compress in the lower back over time and pinch the nerves coming out. Years ago they used to put you in a bed .strap your shoulders and hang weights off of your feet.(Traction) One could relieve the pain sometimes by hanging off of a door jamb by your hands, but as ones upper body is heavier than your legs, it's more effective hanging from your feet, hence the machine. It allows the discs to decompress off of the nerves. Obviously it depends how bad the discs have collapsed as to how much relief you can get that way. Once again, years ago they would fuse a particular disc solid , but then it transferred the load to the next disc. I believe they also would snip the nerve as a solution ? then someone could kick you and you wouldn't feel it. ! not sure about that one . Anyway I'am sure you would have already researched your problem and know all there is to know , but I thought my input might be of some use ,glad you are happy with your treatment . I will have to drop in to see you on my next trip over in Nov , going to be driving past on the way down to Samui for a week, I'll bring a bottle of Aussie Red. Cheers Mike. :D :D
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Mike Judd » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:16 am

Should have done a proof read. "Don't let the bastards wear you OUT"
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby BKKBILL » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:58 am

Mike Judd wrote:Should have done a proof read. "Don't let the bastards wear you OUT"

Mike here is a little from WebMd on lumbar herniated disc problems. Thought the smoking one was interesting. :mrgreen:

http://www.webmd.com/back-pain/tc/herni ... -your-risk
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:04 am

Mike Judd wrote:I'll bring a bottle of Aussie Red. Cheers Mike.

Mike, a nice Jacob's Creek Shiraz Centenary Hill 1997 (8 gold medals) would be very nice but wouldn't last long so you'd better bring a box, but make sure that the wine looks a little creamy. It's still available at I think about $500-600 a bottle. If you have problems finding it my mate is a wine dealer and he'll sell it to you. Trust me on this I bought one in Singapore at the airport ($1,090 Singapore dollars) for a wine tasting and by the end of the night people were fighting to get the last drop. It was so good that when I checked out of the Hilton the following afternoon I found I had bought another 3, but these were not tax exempt so my visa card screamed loud and long, but everyone complimented me on my choice of wine and nobody spat out a single drop.
Mike your suspension idea has been around for ages, along with traction, the only problem is I have a degenerative spinal condition and it's not the disks, it's the actual vertibrae that are crumbling.
The Australian Army was on a shoestring budget when I joined and we used 37 Pat webbing discarded by the British after WW2 because they caused so much damage to the spine. Add to that we were carrying up to 150+ lbs in Vietnam, jumping out of hovering choppers, hitting the ground during contacts and running with the damned packs bouncing on your back and carrying 8 water bottles, two bren pouches full of 7 X 20 round SLR magazines, a sixteen pound SLR rifle or even worse a 26 lb machine gun and bandoliers of loose rounds (140), plus grenades, Claymores, signal flares, smoke grenades, 7 days rations, 200 rounds for the machine gun, a 30lb sig set with spare batteries and aerials, sleeping gear including a tent and 4 pairs of socks and changes of cams and it all added up to a disaster waiting to happen. And then some of us stupidly jumped out of perfectly good choppers and fixed wing aircraft with stupid people on the ground claiming the wind speed was "just right" at 12-16 knots and you got dragged for 100 yards before being able to collapse the chute.
If you wish to do more damage to vertibrae, and disks, hang from your contraption or have the weights attached.....we had this discussion before where I posted all the medical websites that say "Do Not Do It" but you being old have forgotten about them. What you advocate is called spinal decompression and can and will cause damage to the tissues and nerves in the spine. Most of the quackery has been totally banned in Australia like destroying/cutting the nerve (to stop the pain), the only country to actually manufacture the spinal stretch machines is the US, but they are not totally FDA approved and have to use witch doctors and spin doctors to sell them to private practive... normally neuropaths which is also banned in Australia and being delisted as a medical service after the latest scientific findings.... more damage than good.
So before you do anything to stretch the back, buy that bloody case of Shiraz, that way I'll be able to sit there sipping it as I watch you hang upside down from my garage verandah and get the dogs to jump and bite you every time you lower your arms. I hope you've had rabies shots? :D :D
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:18 am

BKKBILL wrote:Mike here is a little from WebMd on lumbar herniated disc problems. Thought the smoking one was interesting.

I don't have a herniated disk, I have lumbar sacral degeneration. I also have some nice photos. I know everyone likes photos but I'm not sharing these because Bill, you can't even get the prognosis right, let alone the cause. I hate non-smokers they're as rabid as most Thai doctors in blaming smoking on everything.... Somchai was hit by a out of control No 7 bus today. The Thai quack doctor said cause of death was due to his smoking when a packet of cigarettes was found at the scene.
My SPECIALISTS (Thai too) have said smoking has nothing to do with my war caused injuries. :lol: Stick that in your pipe and smoke it... you have legalised smoking Mary Jane after all... next that will be on Thai quacks hit list which doesn't effect me as I don't smoke it. Gees, next they'll stop sailors from using rope as it's made from Indian hemp.
I'll think a little bit more about your rather trite comment after I take the next lot of pain killers..... I'll really be in the mood for a jousting match then Bill, so be warned.
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby BKKBILL » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:36 am

Roger Ramjet wrote:And of course all the nurses were in a tizz after the op when I wanted to get-up and go for a smoke, but luckily Dr. Nuj who was there said if my blood pressure was normal she couldn't see why I couldn't slip away while they did the notes and made-up the bill. And it was spot on, so being a stubbourn bastard I refused the wheelchair, the arms of my wife and daughter and went out and had a smoke in their bullshit No Smoking zone. And to the horror of the nurses who have been brainwashed over the years my blood pressure was the same when I arrived back with a big grin all over my face..... after that they ignored me.


My goodness that was fast. RR it wasn't me who brought up smoking perish the thought.

I'm so sorry for misinterpreting your back problem. Possibly this site would be more to the point and that point being pain and smoking.

A new study strengthens the link between smoking and lower back pain, and also sheds light on the causes of degenerative lumbar spine problems.

The study on smoking and low back pain, which prospectively examined 1,337 physicians who graduated from Johns Hopkins University between 1948 and 1964, followed some participants for more than 50 years.

Researchers discovered that smoking history, hypertension and coronary artery disease - all of which are risk factors for atherosclerosis, or occlusion of the arteries - were significantly associated with the development of low back pain.

Article continues below

http://www.spine-health.com/wellness/st ... -back-pain

Here is a good article on Lumbar Degenerative Disc Disease: Current and Future Concepts of Diagnosis and Management that I think is very enlightening. Again probably not what you have but maybe getting closer.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aorth/2012/970752/

You be careful with those pain killers I’ve heard some can be addicting, possibly as much as well, err smoking.
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Sometimewoodworker » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:29 pm

BKKBILL wrote:You be careful with those pain killers I’ve heard some can be addicting, possibly as much as well, err smoking.


Most studies on pain medication shows that even the most addictive (when used as a recreational drug) have a a very low risk of addiction when used for pain control.
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Mike Judd » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:05 pm

Christ ! I didn't want to start any arguments here, just putting in my own experiences with back pain and how I relieve the pain, it works for me every time, but obviously their are" Horses for courses", and you have a different kind of problem which I know next to nothing about. I won't buy into the argument as far as smoking is concerned, only to say that in my opinion anyone who smokes or worse still actually starts to smoke with all the concrete evidence available today has got to be brain dead. Long term Smokers ! have a bit of an excuse in that
everybody did it years ago and all the bad effects were unknown then, but addictive as it is , why would you voluntarily do that to yourself,? submit yourself to what for so many, turns out to be a slow insidious way of dying . No thanks. !
I'll have to look out for that Red, but I'am not buying it for the whole bloody village, haven't sold my Waterfront yet. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: No wonder they come to LOS for medical teatment

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:22 pm

BKKBILL wrote:I'm so sorry for misinterpreting your back problem. Possibly this site would be more to the point and that point being pain and smoking.

Bill,
Both studies were for disk degeneration, but both were very interesting. Ranked at 13 was A modest association between smoking and disc degeneration has been shown, suggesting possible influences of chemical exposures Studies will say a more significant than not or, as in this case a possible casual association.
I do get peeved when smoking becomes the cause of all ills, and in the case of Thailand the cause of all problems to do with everything. My spinal specialist didn't think my smoking was going to cause anymore damage than has already occurred previously. I now have three MRI's, numerous X-Rays taken over a period of 20 years at Bumrungrad and not one of them has been good and all go back to the first diagnosis of lumbar sacral degeneration, which was done when I was about 23 years old and was done without all the high tech wizardry of today.
I don't drink, but you never hear me harping on and on about all you dirty rotten drunks and your foul drinking habits and I have been known to quaff a few previously. I was actually going, on ANZAC Day http://www.thailand.embassy.gov.au/file ... Notice.pdf to "The Bridge over the River Quai (really Kok) this year to pay my respects to the old Diggers who went through far worse than I have, but my shoulder operation, which led on to this medical problem partially stopped that. I had sent away for a number of unclaimed medals which were enroute from DoD in February, but thanks to Thai Customs deciding they wanted 30,000 baht in blood money, they should still be sitting on some greedy Thai's Customs' clearance desk gathering dust. I'll probably see photos of some bastard walking around with them on next ANZAC Day in the wrong order and not court mounted who bought them to look good. They won't be worth their real value then because they have been stolen and only a complete history going with them is where the value lies. I'm really pissed off about that. I shall have them re-issued and then have them sent over in a diplomatic bag to the current Military Attache at the Australian Embassy, but it did ruin my ANZAC Day totally. And stupid comments about jewellery certainly did not help my disposition.
And I will probably get drunk next ANZAC Day, along with 98% of the other diggers at Hellfire Pass and sit and tell bullshit stories about battles past, and I'll think about all the brain cells I've killed the following morning, but I won't lecture any of the drinkers there about their drinking habit or tell them about what alcohol can do to the body. :D :D And I won't tell them where and when they can have another drink because most will have tinnies in their hand just after the dawn service and start becoming obnoxious some time later. I shall quietly sit and have a smoke with the other old fellas and talk about the drunks hoping in their cars and driving everywhere.
Have I said enough Bill to touch a nerve yet? :lol: :lol:
Your warning about adictive drugs is well taken. It is the reason I have had both operations and also previous operations. It's also the reason I don't drink but maybe once a year. Operations take time, especially for veterans and the stop gap for them is usually drink. Fortunately in Thailand I can have the operation almost instantly at Bumrungrad, but I have to first trust the doctor doing it, which can take a while, which is one of the major reasons I decided to stay... that and cheap cigarettes of course. :D :D At least I don't have to go the other route of drinking.
None of my medication is available through chemists fortunately and also fortunately I can stop taking it as the pain deminishes, but I might have to stay on it for a while depending on the outcome of the latest surgery and I'm willing to do that, especially if I can get back to a pain free lifestyle which is when I hand all the leftovers back to the specialist. If there's one thing I've stopped two specialists from doing it's prescribing medication that doesn't work and was all hype anyway. That was and is Tramal. Tramal is a nasty addictive recreational drug that has no effect on the bones and pain whatsoever. I notice it has now been withdrawn from all chemists in Thailand and can only be prescribed at hospitals and now my two specialists are using other medicine in it's place.
It is a good warning Bill I've been down a similar road once before but that was caused by the long waiting lists for veterans to have operations and the GPs in Australia can do nothing about the problem but prescribe medicine. Hyped up medicine mind you and for that I blame the pharmacutical companies.
I do not like taking drugs. I like a normal day. If I want excitement I drive the car, if my daughter hasn't already beaten me to it....then it's the Jaguar SKRS chasing the pissed-off dogs around the house. :lol:
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