BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

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BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby dozer » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:37 am

I like the Bangkok Pattaya hospital, recently had an emergency apendectimy there and it all worked out OK. However, I'm in good health and don't go to the hospital that much. One neighbor is always having wierd health problems and first goes to Bangkok Pattaya hospital when it is an emergency but then eventually goes to Bangrungrat hospital in Bangkok (Sukhumvit soi 3) where they eventually can diagnose and fix the problem. In other words he thinks that Bangkok Pattaya is not very good and Bangrungrat is good.

I'm wondering what others have experienced as far as medical services here, and what they think of either of these two hospitals, or any others.
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Postby cruzing » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:03 am

I have not used Bumrungrad Hospital hospital or Pattaya Bangkok hospital before. I have heard both bad and good things about both.

A friend of ours is a nurse at BNH hospital, and she is a very good nurse, but as far as care there, I've heard it is good but quite expensive, even more so than others.

You have to be pro-active in your medical care and treatment, which is almost an unheard of way of thinking here. In my opinion doctors accept questions etc. better from foreigners than thai. Maybe because thai people tend to treat them like mini-gods. Anyway, no matter where you are you need to ask questions. Ask why they are giving you the medication etc. aIn Thailand it seems the doctors always want to give you some kind of pill everytime you visit, even if it's just a vitamin pill.

I have had good Doctors at Siriraj hospital, and Chulalongkorn hospital in Bangkok. (although hubby says Siriraj should be condemned) My doctor at Chula practiced for 10 years in the States before returning to Thailand. I thought she was very good and the therapy that she prescribed helped a lot.

I've also heard good reports on care at Bangkok Christian Hospital and the 7th day Adventist mission hospital in Bangkok.

I had read some good reviews on Queen Sirikit hospital in Sattahip, but after speaking with a thai friend who's husband is Thai Navy, and a missed diagnosis of an ailment for several years, there are certain things I would not have treated there.

Dozer you are fortunate indeed to have had your emergency surgery at BKK hospital Pattaya, as I have heard nothing but bad reports about Banglamung Hospital.

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Postby Attila » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:33 pm

You can of course have good doctors and good nurses in every hospital, and also bad ones. Or just good ones with a bad day or bad ones with a good day. :wink:

That said, well, Bumrungrad is a world class hospital. It has top doctors, and so far I had been either lucky to get just the good ones, or there are a lot of these good ones there.

Bangkok Pattaya looks to me like a typical Thai hospital with a cleaned up facade. After Bumrungrad we went there once to do a checkup for the baby, while pregnant (not me of course :wink: ). We decided quickly to get the baby delivered in Bumrungrad, if ever possible. Bangkok Pattaya was OK, but there was a huge difference to the "safe and secure" feeling the doctor and staff at Bumrungrad did give us. And we did not regret that decision.

Also with all I had in the last years here, accidents with x-rays and CTs, infections, tooth care, skin inflammations, whatever, Bumrungrad was always better than I would have expected a good western hospital to be.

So my choice is clear, Bumrungrad whenever possible, especially if it gets more difficult.

This does not exclude that a simple teeth cleaning and similar cannot get done by a good local dentist.
But for my little baby, better safe than sorry, better Bumrungrad :D
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how about chiang mai?

Postby jonblue » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:51 am

Does anybody have any good experiences with a particualr hospital in Chiang Mai? I think we've tried four different ones there and still don't feel like we have found a good one.
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Postby Attila » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:35 pm

2 of my friends have been in the the Bangkok Pattaya hospital recently.
One had them fixing his eyes, and he is quite happy about it, he would go there again for that. :D
The other was brought there because he broke his leg, and while examining him they said that his ECG would have a problem, he would need to see the specialist. The specialist told him that his heart is very good and his ECG too. There was no answer to the question why they urged him to see the specialist. He then told the specialist that he wouldn't pay for that unnecessary visit. Dunno what they do to his leg now, right now he' s in the hands of their surgeon :?
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Postby cruzing » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:34 am

When we got our BUPA hospitalization, the british nurse there recommended
Phayathai hospital in Siracha. I had already decide to use that hospital anyway, but she said they have the most up to date equipment and charge everyone the same.

With the BUPA Emerald plan you are fully covered..........Phayathai approx. 3,000 baht per day includes everything. They have a foreign administrator....don't know if that makes a difference or not....possibly.

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Postby dozer » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:00 pm

Phayathai hospital in Siracha
So have you used it and how was it?

There was no answer to the question why they urged him to see the specialist.

Ha ha, funny story. They do seem to be too much of a business and pricey, but still the best inside Pattaya.
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Postby cruzing » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:08 pm

No I haven't use Phayathai yet, but I have a friend that used to use BKK-Pattaya all the time and he now uses Phayathai...he's very happy and impressed with the service.

Just some trivia....Mr. C was in on the architectural end of Phayathai off Rama 9 in BKK the company he worked was the architectural company that got the project.......he did mainly clean room design....

He had his son in Bkk-Pattaya, 12,000 baht a night in the what they told him was thai price. 18,000 baht per night in the int'l side. I talked to the nurse at Bupa and she said the price until the end of December for EVERYONE was supposed to be 3,000 baht. I don't know if that included nuring services and food or not.

I have heard more bad stories about B-P than any other hospital. Referrals you don't need, wrong diagnosis, price gouging. The list goes on. For minor things, we'll keep going to Q. Sirikit.

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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby Attila » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:23 pm

I had to go to the hospital last week, and decided to go to the Bumrungrad again, after a long time, and it was excellent. They added another building, spacious, well organized, and again I was impressed by the high standards they have.

It remains my first choice for anything more serious than a simple flu.
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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby dozer » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:47 pm

and decided to go to the Bumrungrad again, after a long time, and it was excellent.
This is my feeling from what I've heard although have had no problems with B-P competence, but they will play games on the accounting end. Would select Bumrungrad for anything serious likewise.
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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:49 pm

Bumrungrad is an excellent hospital. It was transformed by the far sightedness of Dr. Peter Morley the Medical Director. I have no idea if he is still there, having his own surgery as well (Travelmin), but I have had two major operations there to reconstruct my left shoulder and both worked beyond my expectations. The hospital has the latest technology and the surgeons are amongst the best in Asia. There is only the problem of language. The Thai doctors do not understand real English, so you can't use words like; a bit crook, terrible, terrific or other such expressions. I have always made damned sure they actually understand what I am telling them and if the medicine doesn't work or you get a strange reaction, go straight back and tell them. Which is okay if you live in Bangkok like me but can cause problems if you live elsewhere.
My government (Australia) pays my bills and they (Bumrungrad) just bill them directly.
Most of my visits have been to Orthopedic or Ear, Nose and Throat specialists so I can't comment about the other doctors there.
If you are not sure the doctor fully understands what you are saying, ask for a translator.
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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bumrungrad

Postby Attila » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:10 pm

Roger, yes, they are well organized there. Down to the IT system they use. All notes the doctors make are scanned immediately and in your file right away, Nothing gets lost. They could give me an X-ray image years after it was made, burned on a CD, after 10 minutes waiting only!

With the English language skills I made a different experience. Some of the Thai doctors there have even studied a year in the US, and then their vocabulary covers all these words you mention. Except probably "a bit crook", IMHO that's too much Aussie, and not so much used elsewhere.

From my experience 7 out of 10 doctors there can communicate sufficiently in English, and 3 of these 7 must have had special training in English or studied abroad.
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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby Roger Ramjet » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:06 pm

Dear Attila,
You are totally correct in what you say about 7 out of 10 and 4 out of 10. It's those damned 3 out of 10 and 6 out of 10 that I worry about. I've sat there explaining in great detail a couple of times, to find the orthopedic specialist they have got me in to see understands all the medical terms, but when comes to understanding what I say, he's been sorely lacking.
When I would talk to Dr. Peter Morley at Travelmin he would only send me to a specialist he knew would understand, that was where he was brilliant. He would also talk to the specialist beforehand so that both of us understood exactly what was happening.
I'll give you a classic example; try telling a Thai doctor you have shrapnel wounds from Viet Nam and most will just look at you stupidly, because they have no idea what shrapnel wounds are, let alone Viet Nam and if they do know Viet Nam, they think it's a part of ASEAN, that's it. They have no concept of history because they were only taught about Thai kings, superstition, innuendo and rumour. Try telling a normal well educated Thai Doctor there was a war in Viet Nam in the 1960's that went for over 10 years and the Thai will nod sagely, but not understand one word.
Now think about "sufficiently" part and then you can start worrying. I know I do. Especially when I'm about to have surgery that will take 4 hours and cost 200,000 baht. And remember, every one of these Thai doctors were taught in English, so if they didn't understand what they were being taught then, what chance have they now? It's okay learning about something from Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine by rote, but come the day they have to put it into practice and the first think they do is say "Can you speak Thai"?
That all being said, I have found the hospital to be excellent with treatment.
But this is Thailand and Thailand is different. And again to prove my point; one day I was running a little late, having been stopped on the Tollway for 1 hour to let some member of "the family" or tinpot politician have a clean run and hurriedly parked my car on the 6th floor of the new building. After I had seen the doctor I got out of the elevator at the 7th floor because I had forgotten which floor I had parked on. No car, no problem, I walked down to the 6th floor using the fire stairs, looked through the window and there was my car. Do you think I could open that door? It was nailed shut. That's right nailed shut. So was the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st and finally I got out at the basement, but only after banging on the door for ten minutes. And I was really, really peeved to say the least and spent the next two hours with one of the hospital's directors (female, they are all female) explaining they were supposed to comply with fire regulations, etc etc etc.
The result, after actually showing my credentials (explosives engineer registered in NSW Australia) and having them photocopied was; "We will have to call another meeting of the board of directors, but that will take some time." In other words, when I went back the following week the doors were still nailed shut. This is Thailand, leave nothing to chance, especially your health.
If in doubt, ask for and get a translator, the kids (translators) love it.
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Re: BangkokPattaya Hospital Pattaya vs. Bangrungrat

Postby Attila » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:14 pm

You definitely need a doctor who understands you, agreed. Also, they need to be able to explain and answer questions, in a way you can understand. So far I never had the problem that the doctors at Bumrungrad would not understand me, or I would not understand them, but you are right, it could happen.

As you say, if in doubt get a translator, and there again, they are well organized, they have translators there. You can also ask to see a different doctor, they let you choose.

We had been spoiled by their pediatrician, Dr. Karl (despite the name a Thai), and one day, when he was not there, we spoke with one of his colleagues ... never again, that guy would fit better to Bangkok Pattaya, he's on our internal blacklist now. So it does matter which doctor you get, however I think that different to other places the probability to get a good one in Bumrungrad is 80% or higher.

I witnessed some cesarians in western hospitals and then in Bumrungrad, so I can compare, and they definitely knew what they were doing. So far I never had the feeling that a western hospital would be the better choice.
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