Swimming pool? "how about the price"

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Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby Zorro » Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:47 pm

I would like to build myself a pool, 5X8 overflow system.

Knowing for a fact that the “falang triple inflated” prices of 15KB/m² is only existing because the majority who build themselves a pool can frankly speaking afford it… most of the fellow falangs talked to are somewhere proud to rave that they build themselves a pool anywhere between 12 and 15K€… you how this cost in Europe/the states…

Well that’s all true but we are in Thailand and all with a few years experience in the labor/material market will confirm that these prices are just inflated.
The villages who include private swimming pools build those pools at a fraction of the cost labored by their own crew.

Hey guys is there anybody out there who can recommend some reasonable crew who is build those pools with a normal profit margin in mind
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Postby Mayflower » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:04 pm

Much of the cost of a pool depends how complicated it is to build or what finish you want on it. Try these people. Cost just over half what I was quoted by three other firms. <dozer removed reference to company due to user self promotion and double ID July 2nd 2009> They have low operating costs and pass the savings on to the customer.
Check out the posts by <edit dozer>, he has some god advice here, including the stuff on pricing.
What's an overflow system? I've got a balance tank with gutter all round the pool. Some pools have an infinity edge. But your's is a new one for me. Also, get a salt water chlorinator. We thought it was a gimmick, but we wouldn't want to live without it now.

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Postby thaifly » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:16 am

[quote="Mayflower"]Much of the cost of a pool depends how complicated it is to build or what finish you want on it. Try these people. Cost just over half what I was quoted by three other firms. <edit remove URL for self promotion 2 July 2009 dozer> They have low operating costs and pass the savings on to the customer.
Check out the posts by <edit remove poster name>, he has some god advice here, including the stuff on pricing.
What's an overflow system? I've got a balance tank with gutter all round the pool. Some pools have an infinity edge. But your's is a new one for me. Also, get a salt water chlorinator. We thought it was a gimmick, but we wouldn't want to live without it now.

Mayflower.[ ote] GIDDAY may flower..would u beleive this..my goodmate john who just recently visited me in c/mai..mentioned to me he usead <dozer: removed company name> for his pool sometime back with great reults in cost and service.... he said they have been in business fot 20 odd years... so that must speak for it self... he was very happy with <edit dozer> i can tell u ...its a GIDDAY from thaifly maerim
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Postby Nawty » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:55 pm

Overflow is the same as what you have, gutter all around into a surge tank. But can be on any or all sides, does not have to be on all 4 sides. My pool has it on one side.

This beadcrete I would like to use in my pool, but the cost compared to a nice tile is ridiculous really.... http://coolthaihouse.com/cthpics/displa ... m=6&pos=75

I would love to see if I could buy it back home and bring it over myself and do it, do not believe it would be any harder to apply than tiles or render.

I was also thinking to use the grout, black,in a bathroom I have, the effect with the lighting might be spectacular....maybe...
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby jazzman » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:23 am

Any reasonable basic, in-ground, fully tiled, concrete pool, with proper pumping and filtration station, will now cost from around 12,500 - 14,500 baht per m2 of surface area at the end of 2009. Much more than this, and the constructor is either making far more profit than he needs to, or has to maintain a high rent showroom in a premium location, staffed by a lot of pretty girls. Companies with many 'branches' throughout the country tend to have high prices, often as much as 17,000 - 19,000 per m2 - possibly due to the high commission they pay their regional salesmen, or having to subsidise their showrooms in areas of low return.
Flush-to-deck overflow pools with balance tank, or infinity edge pools will cost a little more, and custom free form pools will of course entrain extra design costs.

It is extremely important to understand that in the pool business, high prices are absolutely not representative of high quality. Pools are often simply either sold at the maximum prices the market can stand, or the firm will just not admit to having cheaper models with standard tiles and equipment - so if you drive a Mercedes or a Ferrari, keep it out of site when you visit the pool shop.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby jazzman » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:26 am

Not possible to edit the above post either, but as an example, everyone has seen one of these:
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All from the same manufacturer, although they may be locally branded by a large distributor. The price ranges from baht 450 to baht 1,000 (ToolProPlus, Udon Thani), with the most common price around 650 baht.
Interesting is that refill bottles cost more than the 450 baht kit. Go figure...
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:04 pm

Today I rung up by one of my architects who quite blithely told me that the house would cost 7 million baht to build and that the main expense was the indoor swimming pool because that came in at 1.7 million baht. To be quite honest I was at a loss for words, but I was thinking those nice Aussie words like bullshit, etc. I reminded him that the pool was only 20' X 17' X 4' and was not to olympic standard, he waffled on about the supporting concrete beams under the pool, etc, etc, etc. And so I have sat here most of the day looking at the cost of pools, what is involved in construction, the cost of tiles, sealant, pumps, chlorinators, etc, etc, etc. Now for the life of me I can't even imagine 1.7 million for a small pool. I have gone over and over my figures (and yours) and at the most it would come to 750,000, even with inflation.
I wonder if someone can tell me if the rip-offs have started, if so how do you sack the architect?
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby fredlk » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:23 pm

Roger Ramjet wrote:I wonder if someone can tell me if the rip-offs have started, if so how do you sack the architect?

My pool, about twice the size is estimated at about 800,000 Baht to build. If I were you, I would ask for a break down of the figures to find out what the costs actually are. In my building quote and contract, the price is calculated per block, per piece of rebar, etc. It gives me a better feeling in knowing that I'm not being ripped off and if I am it's an overall mark-up and not a guess as to how much I can afford.
Get a specified breakdown and if they refuse then get a separate quote for the pool itself from a pool company or just hire a new architect and builder.
Good luck ... and keep us posted.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby Roger Ramjet » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:47 pm

Just to make sure that the members with a sense of humour don't say tell the architect "your sacked", the reason I asked is, I need to know how much money I have to pay him. We are not even up to stage 1 yet (going over his drawings which I haven't even seen), so I need to say farewell and pay him off, if he doesn't come up with a reasonable explanation. And if he does then my house has just been sunk before it even swam.
Fred,
Thank you for replying so quickly, you have again come to my rescue. I have a meeting at my house with the architect scheduled for next week and I now have about 40 pages of stuff to hit him with. If this is the start, then I shall be smoking 8 packs of cigarettes a day by the finish, double what I normally smoke.
Never fear, I shall constantly keep posting so that at least members get a chuckle or at best a laugh. The builder who is working on the lot of a friend of mine looked at the plans and his estimate for the whole build came in well below the 5 million ceiling. Just looking the the roughs, he said it would be between 3.4 to 4.5 depending on the quality of the materials. The fact the land has been "packed down" twice (he's seen the land) made the whole thing simpler.
This start reminds me of a poem "The Charge of the Light Brigade" by Alfred Lord Tennyson... I think the first shot of cannons has been fired from the left, I shall reply with my 40 odd pages.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby fredlk » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:19 pm

Roger Ramjet wrote:the reason I asked is, I need to know how much money I have to pay him. We are not even up to stage 1 yet (going over his drawings which I haven't even seen), so I need to say farewell and pay him off, if he doesn't come up with a reasonable explanation.

We are straying a little off topic, but if you went about it the same way I did, then you have a contract with your architect in which it states how much of what to pay at each phase of the work. If you are still at the preliminary design stage then it should not be more than 10% of the total agreed price.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby jazzman » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:21 pm

Under no circumstances if you are living on the Thai mainland, should you be paying more than about 12,500 to 14,500 baht per square metre of surface area for a standard in-ground, skimmer type, fully tiled concrete pool with a single slope bottom, average depth up to 1.4 m. This should also include a brick built walk-in pump house, a start-up supply of chemicals, and the complete set of maintenance tools and equipment - but probably not the first fill of water.

Get quotes from several pool companies and compare.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby Roger Ramjet » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:26 pm

To all,
As everyone is aware, inside my house there will be a swimming pool 6.5m X 3m X 1.3m. I have been quoted, from various sources 1.5 million downwards. My architect was unsure if he could design one, so I told him I would have that done by a pool company, which made things sticky because I had no idea of any such company....... I know, I know, Google it! After nearly three days of fruitless searching, looking at one pool after another designed for hotels, I finally found this site......http://www.issworldwide.com/index.php/s ... /rectangle with just what I wanted and at a price that is more than fair.
In the coming weeks, after they have my house plans and have designed the pool I shall post them on my thread.
Thanks to all the members who said it could be done for about 350,000, you were just about spot on!
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby jazzman » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:59 am

The lowest quote from a professional who builds standard quality pools with proper filters and pumps, and uses proper concrete, sealant, tile adhesive and grout, would be around Baht 255,000.00 (+ 7% VAT if the firm is big enough to be liable for tax). Additional cost of a reasonable saltwater chlorinator would be from 28,000 - 52,000 depending on the quality, built-in features, and length of guarantee, and if bought through a major distributor or his accredited agent. BTW: the cheapest models on the market are rubbish and have a lifetime from as little as 2 years, while the better ones are guaranteed for 3 or even 4 years. Local pool shops often sell the same models at up to double the price.

The difficulty of getting a pool at this price however, is the distance to your nearest reasonable pool constructor. For many firms, a pool this size is not worth the trouble, although they could justifiably add a supplement for the distance.

Remember also that a pool is like a car, once purchased it will always need attention, and perhaps also the occasional intervention of your local specialist.

Beware of the pool 'specialists' whose specification requires 3-phase pumps, or expensive metal cabinets chock full of fuses and solenoids, or over-rated pumps and filters, which are all standard tricks to inflate a profit margin. Modern pool pumps from 0.5 to 3 HP operatefrom 220 - 240 V and simply plug into the wall socket and a simple timer. The pump motors have a built-in overload or overheat protection. The top whack for a proper pump and filter together for a pool this size will definitely not be more than around 19,000 + VAT, although it is quite common for some pool firms to charge for bigger pumps and filters than necessary in their global price, or to charge for heavy duty industrial equipment that is designed for very heavy commercial use. Your average typical daily bather load should be taken into consideration when deciding on filtration-pump-sanitation systems. Beware however, of buying cheap Chinese copies of reputable makes of pool equipment and accessories - they will not last.
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby Nawty » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:40 pm

If the archi is quoting you 1.7 for the pool...you can guarantee is his ripping you off somewhere for the house also.......<edit - fredlk>.


here is an interesting TV thread...if this link not allowed and delteded....just go look for recent posts in the pool section

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/154 ... d__4052692

Also steer clear of that french pool mob..... <edit - fredlk>....
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Re: Swimming pool? "how about the price"

Postby gliffaes » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:22 pm

I found an interesting example whilst i was out the other day. My wife chatted to the pool design company and here are some photos, this pool is 21 metres by 9 at the widest and 4.5 metres at the narrowest total area is about 145m2 and its 1.4 metres deep. Its an overflow pool and the price includes EVERYTHING ok Guesses how much it cost please Ill reveal the price later. per m2 or overall I dont mind

After hearing the price w e got his number, This is an all Thai company based near but not in Hua Hin really nearer Cha am they have done many pools and the work quality looked pretty good to me.
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