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Timber prices - shopping list

Postby hkexpat » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:31 pm

Does anybody know the price of hardwood and softwood? I would be interested to know the price per m for the following:

hardwood (teak and a cheaper alternative like rubber wood)
130cm * 30cm or equivalent
100cm * 25 cm or equivalent
100cm * 12cm or equivalent
50cm * 12cm or equivalent
25cm by 25cm or equivalent

Softwood

100cm * 50cm or equivalent for softwood
50cm * 50cm or equivalent softwood
50cm * 25cm or equivalent softwood

Thanks

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Postby jazzman » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:53 pm

Hi Expat,

Those are some really odd dimensions! Small bits of wood, some almost rectangular. Only a visit to a wood yard with your shopping list will come up with the answers as these are of course custom sizes. I would guess you either want to make furniture with them, or you have already measured to put some shelves up, or install a wood block floor. They would also need to know what thickness it would be. The prices would probably be quoted by the cubic metre or portions thereof.

My wife and I enquired about wood at a wholesalers in Ban Pa Inn last week. All the wood was imported from China - there is virtually no logging done in Thailand now and teak imports from Burma, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam are either banned completely or under extremely strict control.
We were shown some Chinese hardwood of the thickness and kind that would be used for nice flooring blocks at a price of 540 baht / m2, but the 'specialist' was unable to tell us exactly what kind olf wood it was.

Natural rubber wood furniture looks very nice, and also carries a heavy price tag. If I come across wholesale prices for it, I'll let you know.

The low quality softwood planks which we purchased 2 months ago for formwork and general on the building site of our small house cost 18,000 baht. I hadn't done any previous research on this and I fell over when I got the bill! That is the price of top quality tiles for a very large living room!

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Postby hkexpat » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:26 pm

I guess they do look odd if you don't know the whole picture. The timber is for things like trimming out doors and the softwood for framework for Ceilings etc.

These dimensions are of course the cross sections and I would buy these in whatever lenghts they sell, 3m 5m (i don't know).

Am I right in thinking that formwork timber is about 1000 baht per sqm and CPAC is about 1500 baht m3 delivered?

If you could email that spreadsheet of prices I read you had somewhere, that would br great.

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Postby jazzman » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:18 pm

Then I'm afraid I can't help you more with your timber. Maybe someone else knows more.

Formwork timber (shuttering): I don't actually remember the details of the order. My foreman calculated what he wanted based on the number of columns we had to pour. This was 18 columns, 20 cm x 20 cm x 280 cm plus several dozen meter of 3 inch x 1.5 inch for use as struts. When the work with the colums was finished, some of the wood was used to build platfoms for doing the brickwork and rendering. I have since asked around what other people in the area paid for their formwork and I am happy that I got a correct deal.

See the picture below. You are looking at 18,000 baht's worth of wood. For a house this size it is one of the major expenditures.

Somewhere on the forum,
I have posted recently that I will make my XL spreadsheet available when the house is finished. That will be in just a couple of weeks time.

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Postby hkexpat » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:25 am

Jazzman,

Thanks, I am not surprized at the cost, I read that the cost of formwork and the labour represents about 50% of the total concrete costs. The wood get's used once and is used for another purpose it's probably not cost effective to clean and reuse for shuttering.

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Reuse of formwork

Postby jazzman » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:58 am

I am certainly not going to ditch this amount of wood on the roadside like some do - I will definitely try to find a further use for it. My builders did in fact reuse it for making the forms for all the lintels above the doors and windows, so I think I may be able to salvage enough of it for the swimming pool and the bungalows - it would be great if I can.
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Re: Reuse of formwork

Postby hkexpat » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:32 pm

jazzman wrote:I am certainly not going to ditch this amount of wood on the roadside like some do - I will definitely try to find a further use for it. My builders did in fact reuse it for making the forms for all the lintels above the doors and windows, so I think I may be able to salvage enough of it for the swimming pool and the bungalows - it would be great if I can.
I agree, what a waste, if can be put to good use then that's the best approach.

Jazzman,

I did a quick calc on your figures above, if the 18,000 baht is for material only then you used 40m2 which works out at just under 500 baht m2. Can you confirm material only?

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Postby jazzman » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:27 pm

Hi Xpat,

If you check back at my earlier postings you will see that the 18,000 baht was the total for all the bauholz (working wood) we needed. By that I mean any wood which is used for shuttering (formwork), making trestles for standing on to build walls, trussing the formwork for the colums, building the table for the workers to sleep on (Isaan tradition), building a frame for laying the steel on to spray it, propping things up while they are welded, etc.

There is also a picture above whch shos you the 18,000 baht's worth. As far as I know, a figure of 42 m2 didn't enter into the equation. One thing is sure, the amount of wood which was ordered was exactly right.

The only other wood
which has been purchased since is wood which is for building purposes: eaves board, soffit, etc.

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Postby dozer » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:27 pm

I read that the cost of formwork and the labour represents about 50% of the total concrete costs. The wood get's used once and is used for another purpose it's probably not cost effective to clean and reuse for shuttering
Normally the builders will re-use form wood over many life cycles. The wood is expensive and used form wood can be easily sold.
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Postby jazzman » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:26 pm

Although I really have seen used formwork wood covered in weeds and rotting away at the bottom of people's yards who have finished building a good while back. In fact I was once tempted to ring the bell and ask if I could have it :twisted:
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Formwork - price per meter

Postby hkexpat » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:43 am

jazzman wrote:Hi Xpat,

If you check back at my earlier postings you will see that the 18,000 baht was the total for all the bauholz (working wood) we needed. By that I mean any wood which is used for shuttering (formwork), making trestles for standing on to build walls, trussing the formwork for the colums, building the table for the workers to sleep on (Isaan tradition), building a frame for laying the steel on to spray it, propping things up while they are welded, etc.

There is also a picture above whch shos you the 18,000 baht's worth. As far as I know, a figure of 42 m2 didn't enter into the equation. One thing is sure, the amount of wood which was ordered was exactly right.


HKexpat says - Jazzman, I needed a ball park m2 price for formwork, so I figured out from the info you provided a sqm cost and have duly used this in my cost estimate. I realize this is definately on the excessive cost side, but that's where I need to be at this time.

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The only other wood
which has been purchased since is wood which is for building purposes: eaves board, soffit, etc.

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Postby jazzman » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:18 pm

Yes, with 42 m2 you're probably right, I get 37.44 m2 for the columns and I expect the 3" pieces may have made up the rest. I know I paid the going rate for it for this area, although it seems very expensive at about 430 baht / m2.

I am building my bungalows with precast columns. The hexagonal salas will have concrete water pipes for columns. They will have 3 hun rebar and be filled with concrete. They will also contain PVC conduit for the wall type light fittings which will be fixed to them and the electric sockets.

BTW. Apart from the four basic arithmetic functions, I just HATE math in any shape or form :cry:

It sounds like you are contemplating a really huge project.
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