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Need Materials List

Postby MrRee » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:19 pm

I have fully detailed professionally produced CAD (and printed) plans for a 238 sqm house. For budgeting purposes, I want an as-is materials list for everything that can be purchased from Global House. How much should I pay and how long should it take someone to prepare a materials list for me?

I want to use Global House so that I can easily verify pricing and use Global House as a yardstick later when negotiating materials costs of other suppliers or the builder. Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby dozer » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:53 pm

It is a good idea to use Global House as a yardstick but I will point out that if you compare items that are sold by specialty distributors such as steel, paint, electrics Global house will be up to 20% more expensive for the same item/quality level.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby jazzman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:49 am

dozer wrote:It is a good idea to use Global House as a yardstick but I will point out that if you compare items that are sold by specialty distributors such as steel, paint, electrics Global house will be up to 20% more expensive for the same item/quality level.


As Dozer suggests, you will be able to get some items cheaper than at Global. Global is generally good for fixtures and fittings, but bulk materials such as sand, aggregate, and bags of cement can be purchased locally. Global is one of the cheapest for PVC plumbing and many electrical supplies. Gobal also charge for delivery, whereas steel specialists, such as the one in Nong Bua Lamphu will deliver a job lot for a house up to 50 - 60 Km for free. Grade A floor coverings (tiles etc), and Granito can be found at specialist discounters in and around don Thani, and for large orders they will also deliver free.

In Udon Thani in the same road as Global are also HomePro, HomeMart, and ToolsProPlus, and it's worth comparing all their prices.

Unless you know someone with good connections, formwork wood, which is a major expenditure, and euka poles for scaffolding for the formwork for a two storey house, are likely to be difficult to obtain with a saving, and transport also needs to be taken into consideration.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby jazzman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:45 am

MrRee wrote:I have fully detailed professionally produced CAD (and printed) plans for a 238 sqm house. For budgeting purposes, I want an as-is materials list for everything that can be purchased from Global House. How much should I pay and how long should it take someone to prepare a materials list for me?

If your blueprints (shop drawings) are in Thai, with Thai markup, you contractor will work out the quantities as he goes within the all-in price he has quoted. If you are doing the procurement yourself, it would be quite a big task for someone to make a list of every item for a house - an XL spreadsheet has about four hundred lines for materials! Also, almost certainly not all items will be available from one source, and if you require prices for everything it would take time to drive around/phone around to find out. If you can find someone who will do this for you, the best thing to do would be to send him/her the shop drawings (which will include in any case the architect's specifications for locally available materials) and ask for a quote. For anyone who hasn't got a BOQ programme or spreadsheet with up-to-date local prices already, it could be a full week's work (c 35 hrs). Base that on a building trade office worker's salary and you're at about 3,000 - 5,000 baht. A contractor will not do it for you as they won't generally accept labour only construction jobs.

For a normal house costing about 10 - 12k per m3, the materials will work out at about 7k - 9k baht per m3 (excluding fitted kitchen, fitted furniture, and aircon). If your house is an unusual, architect design, such as split -level floors, or flat roofs, uses special uPVC windows and doors, Q-con or Superblock, wooden floors, etc.,and has marble floors and expensive electrical fittings, the sky's the limit.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby geordie » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:58 am

i wish i had some one take care of materials list and prices for me but that would have taken all the fun out of using the forum talking to people and putting together a guestimate of the cost for a build

all in all with a bit of reading a lot of questions about the costs of basic material and i was able to calculate within 10% what my build was going to cost for a thai bungalow with no frills
i;e basic

Maybe just maybe there is a buisness oportunity here for some one to trancribe a drawing into a materials list along with some prices for materials

A legitemate deal could be done via Dozer and an advert placed anonomysly pureley so the party providing said service could continue if he so wished to contribute free advice to the forum

anyone desiring the position talk to Dozer about advertising rules and fees

Personally being a cheap charley ??? i enjoyed doing the work myself with only the whole forum helping? without which i would have acheived very little Many thanks again to all who did the legwork in Thailand publishing the prices and updating them regularly
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby jazzman » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:16 am

geordie wrote:i wish i had some one take care of materials list and prices for me but that would have taken all the fun out of using the forum talking to people and putting together a guestimate of the cost for a build ...
... i enjoyed doing the work myself with only the whole forum helping? without which i would have acheived very little Many thanks again to all who did the legwork in Thailand publishing the prices and updating them regularly

Yes, most of the information is already available on this board. If an artist's impression of the house, or an architect's 3D were posted, there are plenty of people here who could do a free estimate of the materials cost in minutes to within 10% accuracy. MrRee knows already how much the labour costs are likely to be and probably wants to do the procurement and logistics himself anyway as no contractor will accept a labour-only project with a pre determined shopping list to work from. A labour only team will not necessarily have the large trucks needed for such deliveries, or be able to quote accurately for the fetching and carrying.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby English Tim » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:27 am

jazzman wrote:
geordie wrote:i wish i had some one take care of materials list and prices for me but that would have taken all the fun out of using the forum talking to people and putting together a guestimate of the cost for a build ...
... i enjoyed doing the work myself with only the whole forum helping? without which i would have acheived very little Many thanks again to all who did the legwork in Thailand publishing the prices and updating them regularly

Yes, most of the information is already available on this board. If an artist's impression of the house, or an architect's 3D were posted, there are plenty of people here who could do a free estimate of the materials cost in minutes to within 10% accuracy. MrRee knows already how much the labour costs are likely to be and probably wants to do the procurement and logistics himself anyway as no contractor will accept a labour-only project with a pre determined shopping list to work from. A labour only team will not necessarily have the large trucks needed for such deliveries, or be able to quote accurately for the fetching and carrying.
HI ,I agree, over the years there has, and is a lot of very useful info on this site for non trades persons,and as a Master Carpenter- Joiner and Builder now that i have more free time i hope i'll be able to help, but to be able to give a quote in only a few minutes to within 10% accuracy !!! sorry impossible . That's probaly why Falangs here get into trouble with their Thai builders as proper B.O.Q's / Quotations / Estimates are not done ?. Regards Tim.
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Re: Need Materials List

Postby geordie » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:19 am

sorry to dispute it Tim but sat having a beer with a forum member while he took the hotel apart room by room and calculated the cost including the furnishings x27 rooms and he was actually within 5% confirmed by the owner who joined us for a drink i was impressed

obviously people have different standardards granite work sufaces marble floors solid wood cabinets which will greatly afect the overall budget but for a guestimate on a basic build the maths are simple
so it is posible to get a fairly close estimate for a shell although it gets complicated when fitting out the thais actually simplify the process because the rooms are 12x12 grids
I did my own boq from info on the forum and was only outside budget because the exchange rate was crap even after the family had filched some of the money the original estimate was close
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